F1 » Marko: No change in balance of power

Helmut Marko says Mark Webber will be number two to Sebastian Vettel again in 2013

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JJJ - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 6:19 PM


I know he partnered Gijs van Lennep for Gijs' 1st Le Mans victory in 1971. Gijs then won another one with Jacky Ickx in 1976. Gijs is somewhat of a national autosport hero here in the Netherlands as we haven't really been spoiled with great achievers in autosport. Great guy too, but realistically he only scored 2 points in F1.

Still that's 2 points more than Marko...:D


January 04, 2013 6:39 PM
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crockroach. how do you make out that i know more than anyone else about vettel? i do know a fair bit about f1, and i also have some priveleged info on some teams. so what?
my comment to jjj was about marko, who was considered a good talent until his f1 career was cut short in his first full season, by a stone going through his helmet visor, costing him an eye. that is historical fact. he was fast. and he was in a car that was far from competitive. i suggest you google his name to see how fast he was.
apart from that, didi appointed him to the team, and he has been an instrumental part of the team that has brought three wdcs and three wccs to rbr. not bad, yet there are a few here who know nothing about him, and slag him off, just because he says things that they do not want to hear. depending on their loyalties, they slag off whitmarsh, luca, stefano etc.

if a person is doing a lousy job, fine, comment on it, but if they are doing a good job, then compliment them for it

JJJ - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 7:05 PM


Fine. I think Marko is doing a lousy job as head honcho for the RBR development program. Vettel is the only one who got through (not in small part thanks to BMW) and other than that we have Webber still driving for RBR. All those years, dozens of talents and still only 1 is driving for the top team?

Then there are a bunch of drivers (Klien, Speed, Liuzzi, Doornbos, Buemi, Alguersuari) who got parachuted into an F1 seat way before they'd proven themselves enough in junior category (except Liuzzi) and then despite often doing not much less than could really be expected being dropped again in sometimes disgusting fashion before b=having the chance to prove their worth. And now again at STR we have two former WSBR drivers who are expected to do...what exactly? They haven't retained a benchmark to assess their performance (Algy or Buemi) and I suppose they'll be dropped again after the next year or the year after that...

JJJ - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 7:12 PM

The strategy seems to be let's put a bunch of almost random guys in there way to soon and see if one of them strikes gold, then if not dump them from the program with as little respect as possible. Maybe they have Seb's win in Monza in mind or something, but then someone needs to remind them the STR that year was at the end of the year an RBR with a stronger engine in it, ideally suited for Monza. They also need to remember Seb while famously scoring a point for P8 on his debut for BMW qualified way behind Heidfeld that race and only inherited P8 after Heidfeld retired from P3. People act like Seb go into F1 and was immediately great (friday practise) but forget he was 3rd driver on the best team with a 3rd driver so was expected to be on top of the sheets on friday by people in the know.

Then finally you have Marko's rediculous comments after the Seb-Web incident in Turkey as well as some other displays of bad conduct that bring the RB name bad press...I think he's doing a very poor

JJJ - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 7:16 PM

...job and that Newey and Seb make him look half decent to people who look no further at his other responsibilities. Marko's only credit to the team is in reality the succes of Newey as a designer and Seb who has managed to do the job on the circuit, and Helmut is just riding the wave as dead-weight.


January 04, 2013 7:35 PM

jjj. you really are bitter! its a good job that didi has a different opinion to you. calling marko "dead weight" is downright ridicuous. he is there to do a job, and i would be reasonably sure that he will be there in the coming years.
yess str is being used as a test for a possible rbr seat, but it is declared policy to continually try out new talent. so far, rb supported drivers have been given a fair crack of the whip, but mediocre performances are not what is required for a seat in the top team. note that there was no rush by any other top team, to sign algi or buemi. if they were outstanding, they would be in an rbr by now, or else in a macca, ferrari, merc etc. ricciardo and vergne have shown no real outstanding talent, and are being given a second year to prove themselves. there are other rb talents waiting in the wings, including frijns.
you criticised markos capabilities on the track, well i challenged you to refute the facts, and you havent.

JohnO - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 7:53 PM

"People act like Seb go into F1 and was immediately great (friday practise) but forget he was 3rd driver on the best team "

Best team? You think BMW-Sauber was the "best team" in 2006? They finished fifth in the constructors title that year! Yes, Seb was in fact "immediately great" and his performances in Friday practice in Turkey and Italy were the first signs of that greatness.

JohnO - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 8:01 PM

"remember Seb while famously scoring a point for P8 on his debut for BMW qualified way behind Heidfeld that race"

Heidfeld qualified fifth, Vettel qualified seventh. "Way behind"? Seriously?

Lewis Hamilton qualified "way behind" Heidfeld in HIS first race, the 2007 Australian GP - while driving a much better car than Heidfelds. Yeah, it's really mysterious that this Hamilton fellow went on to have a semi-successful career in spite of that ignominious beginning!


January 04, 2013 8:11 PM

As I said elsewhere, this (DR Helmut Marko's) comment is one of the first two bombshells of the year, “Webber will be the number two to Vettel in 2013, he knows what is expected of him”.

JJJ - Unregistered

January 04, 2013 8:41 PM

Oh dear...we have some fanb0iz in the house.

@Richard: I already did: Marko did 9 GPs, his best place was 8th at Monaco in 1972 in a race won by...guess who...Yes! No other than Marko's teammate Jean-Piere Beltoise in the same car! Marko scored exactly zero points. One can hardly say he was any better than Liuzzi, Speed and the others, in fact it's easier to argue he was worse.

@John0: Yes I'm am saying BMW was the best team who had a 3rd driver on fridays. Remember who drove for Ferrari on those days? Renault? McLaren? Oh yes that's right...nobody, as only the lower end teams fielded 3rd drivers on friday and BMW was the best team among that group.

Benefit of knowing some facts. Also, Vettel was .7s behind Heidfeld in quali, quite a margin if you ask me.

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