F1 » Mercedes: New engines won’t mean economy runs

Mercedes has provided a sneak preview of the new era of F1 due to be ushered in in 2014.

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prof-x - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 1:49 PM


you cannot get rid of the environmentalists because they are backed by the wealthiest people on the planet, probably the same people who have a hand in making F1 seem more environmentally friendly, despite making it more costly, by asking the manufacturers to do more with less.

Matt - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 4:36 PM

Speacing of eco friendly with F1 is so stupid when they could run 7 V10 in every god damn car for rest of our lives and the ammount of polution wouldnt still match for wath is made for shipping all the material and personel trough trucks and airplanes in one race...

And am i the only one concerned with this Kers, Ers? What happens when it WILL fail? How many times Webber lost hes kers trough the season, there is no point for anyone in any car, to race oon when your kers/ers brakes down. You will be lapped lap after lap. And trust me people, these damn Kers/ers electric leafblowers will brek down.

Paul - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 4:56 PM

I hate this so much...I wanted to visit at least one GP for 5 years now. This year is my last chance. Already started saving money.
I don't understand what is the point in choking 22 engines that run 1K km for 3 days ?
What about all the 30 trucks that Ferrari uses to transport it's gear ? Choke them.
What about freaking americans with their big V8 pickups and 5 miles per gallon ? Choke them. Swap 5L V8 in all american trucks for 3L turbo diesel and it will give 100000 times better effect on environment then killing F1 with that KERS in pitlane nonsense.
People come to see F1, even more to hear it.


January 12, 2013 5:07 PM

Matt, when and if KERS/ERS fail the THRU full power output of these engine will not exceed 600hp, and there is no way that this engine output (which some calls progress) can be used at will during a race because of the fuel restriction.
It was at least let out by the FIA that the 2014 cars are intended to be 5 seconds a lap slower, what can that be called if not PROGRESS!.


January 12, 2013 5:56 PM

Rob, that F1 was stuck with the V8 since 06 was as per the wishes of the FIA.
Richard, yes correct, that one of the engines that might holds the longest reign is the “OFFY” but incorrect in saying a pushrod, the “OFFY” a double overhead cam four valve, was copped by “FRED and MILLER” from the first ever engine design (that started it all in showing the way forward in race engine configuration) this was the Peugeot BISS of 1913 which “FRED and MILLER” raced
Richard, another thing, I am as traditionalist as one can be but, the TERM exhaust headers is technically the correct term in F1 engine configuration, and no at least up to the turbocharger they will be certainly made by the engine manufacturer.


January 12, 2013 7:16 PM

sunny. thanks. i knew the offy was an old engine, but had not realised that it was dohc.

re headers, i lways took that as an americanisation. nothing in my old car manuals call it a header. anyway, a minor point.

the merc pictures show the turbo at the back (?) of the engine, and yes, i had overlooked the fact that the turbo would have to be between the manifold/header and the exhaust outlet. but if this is the final position of the turbo, it will be interesting to see what the full exhaust configuration will be. now i think of it, how will both banks be linked to a single turbo, or will it run off one bank only? that would entail two different layouts, requiring some tricky balancing of output gasses.

from a technical point of view, even though i do not like turbos, the overall concept is quite interesting.

fuel will be down from 150kg to 100kg, so the improved breathing and combustion will use only two thirds of current fuel.


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