F1 » Mercedes: New engines won’t mean economy runs

Mercedes has provided a sneak preview of the new era of F1 due to be ushered in in 2014.

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Tony - Unregistered

January 12, 2013 9:41 PM

What about turbo f1 in the 80's that the engines
produced well over 1000hp with also being v6 but 2
turbos was a ONE MUST HEAR AND SEE that was years
Now technology and materials are far advanced
and longer lasting plus fuel quolity is better
One would see hp same as then and longer lasting.
Is intercoolers allowed and watch for lap times!!


January 12, 2013 9:52 PM
Last Edited 1206 days ago

tony. ferrari and renault used a v6 1.5 engine, with bmw using a 4 cyl production car engine block! the bmw was able to produce 1500 bhp in quali trim.others used 4 cyl engines. turbo boost was phenomenal. the new formula has a regulated pressure boost of quite a low pressure. that is the way that fia will limit bhp to 750 bhp, together with a restriction on fuel. the engines began using exotic and toxic metals, and so were eventually replaced by na v10s. but the fia want to REDUCE speeds.

yes, if there was unrestricted v6 turbos, we would probably see 1800 to 2000 bhp by now, but it will not happen.


January 12, 2013 10:08 PM

The FIA is deliberately limiting the power output of the new 1.6l turbo engine to not more than six hundred horse power and it will not be possible to use this power output at will during a race because of the fuel restriction.

Nanbawan - Unregistered

January 13, 2013 2:30 AM

It was manufacturers with mainly Renault and followed by the Mercedes board who pushed for such an engine formula. It has indeed everything to do with promoting marketing downsized turbo engines and hybrid to customers and not really the actual fuel economy of F1 cars that is quite symbolical anyway. From that POV, I can get the logic.

As for the sound, an autosport article said it wasn't bad at all. A deeper sweeter sound but still loud. Actually I've always imagined those 15,000 rpm engines to sound a bit like engines of the early 90's like the Renault V10 at the time.

19Krpm - Unregistered

January 13, 2013 3:13 AM

Many in the F1 media credit BE / CVC for making F1 big. Well there is a world of difference between big and grossly obese!! It looks F1 looks more like the latter. To bring more money to their pockets they had to enable other people to profit from it, right?! Well who did they go to?? Banks and large corporations including auto companies right? Well what happens when you have multiple large corporations and auto companies meddling into a racing category? They are going to use politics to make their "investment" look as thought they are environmentally conscious to score points with their stockholders who know nothing about F1 racing. RIP F1


January 13, 2013 5:10 AM

During the big conflict between the FIA (Max Mosley) and the FI teams the F1 teams threatened to set up their own series, the FIA countered by saying that the teams will not be able race on present circuits as they are contracted to FOM, at that point it downed on the FIA that although they might assemble enough teams to constitute a grid to continue the series, the cars were going to end without a proper F1 racing engine.
The result of all the above was a decision by the FIA to have F1 racing using only an FIA own engine design with the aim that all the major racing categories will race this so called (at the time) world engine.
The 2014 F1 1.6l v6 turbo engine IS AS NEAR TO AN FIA OWN WORLD ENGINE AS CAN BE.

Mango - Unregistered

January 13, 2013 6:00 AM

This is just wrong in every sense. This stupid engine rule will kill F1, why not just run pedal cars?.......first WRC, now F1, suppose I'll spend 2014 Sunday afternoons fishing, unless MotoGP is on........and how long before that gets the going over due to these mis-informed tree hugging, greeny left wing hippies?


January 13, 2013 7:41 AM
Last Edited 1205 days ago

I absolutely agree with Paul. The amount of fuel F1 cars use is so minute compared to the amount of fuel used worldwide, if you were to make a graph of the amount of fuel F1 cars in total used on a race weekend, compared to the total amount of fuel used by all cars in the world on a weekend, the number for F1 cars would be too small to represent (I don't mean that too seriously but you get it). If people actually wanted to save fuel, they would go to America and replace all those V8/V10 utes, and even V8 cars, with small Ford Fiestas. But seriously, look at most of the cars in America, they are all pretty much V8's, and the only thing they are used for is so they can drive to McDonalds and back, or drop their kids off to football training. Now I'm not targeting America on purpose, I'm just using it as a good example. Don't ruin my sport just because it's an easy target for you environmentalists.


January 13, 2013 9:14 AM

webbertron. the economy drive is not purely to reduce the amount of petrol that an f1 car uses. everybody knows that the total f1 usage would only take a 388 a couple of miles. it is al about development that can filter its way down to road cars etc. compare say an old ferrari daytona with a new italia, the italia uses half the fuel that the daytona did. turbo engines, especially strangled ones, use less fuel, as does a smaller capacity. that is why the likes of vw or ford can get great efficiency from small turbo petrol engines.
i dont believe in global warming, but something is happening to our climate, witness the tornadoes in usa and the extreme heat in oz. so surely if f1 can make even the minutist difference to our perceptions , it has some merit?

ps americans are downsizing their motors quite substantially.

Ron - Unregistered

January 13, 2013 9:29 AM

I really wish they would stop referring to this as a green f1... Its not. As has been said the shiping cost has the largest carbon cost anyway.

And no real point blaiming enviromentalist's on this one, majority havn't heard or even care about this. The problem here is some muppet, trying to jump on the bandwagan and trying to sell some green wash

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