F1 » Mercedes: New engines won’t mean economy runs


Mercedes has provided a sneak preview of the new era of F1 due to be ushered in in 2014.

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Tim - Unregistered

January 14, 2013 1:33 AM

this is a move to longevity of the sport, not its death. I anticipate with relish a renault clio 'cup trophee f1' (or whatever) with a 1.6 turbo v6 with automated Kers re-deploying power harvested in braking at the next full throttle moment. Nice.

Yak - Unregistered

January 14, 2013 3:04 AM

I would have thought cost-wise it would have made more sense to keep the V8s and further implement ERS type gadgets, more as complementary to the engine power rather than just for overtaking/defending boosts. Adjust the minimum weight rules so there's no weight disadvantage to running the extra gear, and those who do it well get to run lighter fuel loads. Maybe over a few years tighten the max allowed fuel cell size to force things in that more hybrid direction. Changing engine specs and durability regs, increasing ERS system implementation, big aero changes, big exhaust changes, etc., all at once seems an absurdity in today's situation.

Yak - Unregistered

January 14, 2013 4:29 AM

Paul - Yes, of course in reality the environmental positive from the switch from V8s to smaller turbo'd V6s will be negligible in the grander scheme of things. The point is more about the manufacturers being able to put their money into something more relevant to the changing times, as well as say, setting an example, or showing the world what can be done with a smaller turbo'd engine. Of course out in the real world, your road car probably doesn't rev to 15k either. But improving the carbon footprint in transport to the circuits and whatnot is not something that's in the spotlight for the world to see. 22 or so cars screaming around a track is what people see in F1.

Bryan G - Unregistered

January 14, 2013 12:01 PM

F1 racing is supposed to be a spectacular sport - not chess. If the cars do not have sufficient fuel at the start of the race to complete it at all out racing speed then it will be as stated - an economy run.If you have any kind of problem during the race you will not be able to overcome it by going faster - you will run out of fuel.The same situation exists with tires at present,lose some time due to a spin or being obstructed,go faster to catch up,wreck your tires,pit and change them,back to square one.In spite of Richards comment regarding engine costs I do not think he has grasped the complexity of the new powerplant.The turbo does not only provide pressurised air to the engine,at various times it also drives the kers generator and puts power directly to the wheels.The control system for this will be highly complex - and expensive.There will also be extra expense for intercoolers,wastegates etc plus this enhanced kers.There will be huge amounts of stored energy in the system which

Yes Yes Yes Leave Me Alone

January 14, 2013 12:10 PM

The changes won't be the death of F1 like many have stated... once the season gets underway everyone forgets what engine configuration etc there is and just enjoys the spectacle.

F1 will never be a totally eco-friendly, slow, boring event as the fans won't turn up and watch.

These changes only affect the wider global trend of using less fuel/emissions to go racing, its incredible how they can keep reducing the fuel/number of engines and still keep going round the track as quickly as before. It is PROGRESS!

richard

January 14, 2013 12:36 PM

bryan. i fully understand the "complexity". the turbo does not power the kers, the transmission does, exactly as it is doing at present. the engine itself has no effect other than to drive the gears. the engine is a "stand alone" unit and creating a new engine is well within the ability of the manufacturers. dont forget, they were building far more advanced turbos in years gone by!

yes yes. you are right, people forget the changes quite rapidly. remember the small rear wings, the stepped nose etc etc. nobody has an issue with these, after a years racing. and as for engines, i have lived through probably 10 engine changes, including turbos etc, and now some are calling for the reintroduction of old formula engines of differing sorts?? in 10 years time, when 1.2 na engines will be required (:D :D), posters will be calling for the "traditional" 1.6 v6 turbos to be retained, as the sound was "so sweet".

richard

January 14, 2013 1:03 PM

rob. you wont be able to tell the difference!

but aero is to be tweaked to recover lost speed, and as the gross power of the engines will be similar to 2013, i cannot see there being much difference.

by the way, the current cars are slower than previous cars......and fia actually WANT to reduce speeds.

Bryan G - Unregistered

January 14, 2013 2:53 PM

Richard - if you do a little research I think you will find that part of the turbo function is power recovery,not just providing compressed air.This is where much of the complexity appears.Using an exhaust turbine to provide power is not new - Wright turbo compound radial aircraft used the system also the Napier Nomad prototype engine - it recorded the best specific fuel consumption of any aircraft engine up to that time.

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