F1 » Webber signs off with slating of Armstrong

Mark Webber reflects on the fall from grace of former friend and occasional riding partner Lance Armstrong.

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JJJ - Unregistered

January 30, 2013 3:15 PM

Yet he stuck by perennial cheat Flava Flav after crashgate, eventhough Flava has a long list of cheating incidents behind his name, arguably putting people in danger and until crashgate always managed to put the blame on someone else.

For instance in the case of this (youtube --)jos verstappen pitbrand (no url allowed)) the blame was ultimately put on the shoulders of an intern who had been at the team for barely any time at all and would have singlehandedly made an executive decision to remove one of the bearings from the fuelrig allowing fuel to flow in at 13,5L/s instead of 12L/s...

Different standards ay...:D


January 30, 2013 3:34 PM
Last Edited 1189 days ago


Lance Armstrong is a disgrace and with the help of his powerful chat show chum somehow managed to portray himself as a victim and showed no humility or contrition for what he's done. He also employed the most aggressive tactics to destroy those who sought to expose him as a cheat. He's admitted so much and seemed to show no guilt for the damage he's done to the sport that gave him so much.

He is an awful human being (in my opinion).

Don't try and tar Mark with the same brush, he's one of the good guys in the paddock.

Mark _

January 30, 2013 4:24 PM

While I agree that Lance is a horrible person I am surprised that it took Webber so long to figure that out. Perhaps Webber does not see what many of us see in individauls like Flavio. I disliked the guy before he had even won his first TdF (and I am an American). It is funny that Webber looked past the obvious signs and was only put off when Lance failed to show up as a guest at a race.

JJJ - Unregistered

January 30, 2013 4:28 PM


Bit of a strawman there mate, nowhere did I do such a thing. I agree Lance is an awful person and probably a malignant narcissist, sociopath or whatever you want to call it. I never said Webber was as well in any way, I just pointed out that while condemning Lance (and giving him not showing up once when he was invited as one of the reasons) while sticking with someone who arguably did something similar (FLAVA) is a bit inconsistent IMO.

Don't forget Flava also not only put guys in danger (pitfire, request to crash), he also blatantly ruined carreers of promising drivers at Benetton by not giving them equal equipment as Shuey's cheat special, robbed Massa of a championship and made Senna push quite hard.

But hey...as long as he's good to Webber, Mark's willing to let it slide.

Gweed - Unregistered

January 30, 2013 4:41 PM

Lance was still the best, they were all doped! Yes, I'm convinced he wasn't the nicest of persons though.
Indeed sticking with Briatore makes Marks' remarks all the more silly, what a hypocrit!

JJJ - Unregistered

January 30, 2013 5:25 PM


Well Massa was leading the race quite comfortably and on that track had the race ran under normal circumstances he'd easily won the race. Because of the deliberate crash though the field was bunched up and they had to make a pitstop under pressure and they made a mistake. Sure they should have not made that mistake but basically that's what happens if you cheat, somebody else who plays fairly gets robbed one way or another. There are some good videos about crashgate on utube btw...the one from BBC (where FA says he stills counts the win (!)) and also the one by 'Otis Ooft' which provides a factual sequence of what ocurred (little gem of info I forgot already: FA started p15 on a deliberate low fuel strategy, no way he didn't know about it).

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