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Felipe Massa's day three pace tops combined Jerez timesheets, but is lap time as valuable as Sebastian Vettel's high of 298 total laps?

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February 11, 2013 1:08 PM
Last Edited 1091 days ago

rob. but at that stage, red bull was only a sponsor! they had no f1 team, and there were many drivers that red bull were sponsoring.
the difference for lulu is that he was being nurtured by an f1 team and by a car manufacturer. to me, that is a hell of a difference

sponsorship exists and always has, but that does not normally ensure a place in f1. algy and buemi were both sponsored by red bull, were given a chance and did not succeed. seb did succeed as he had a talent. he did not get the rbr or even str seat by being just a sponsored driver.

Dan - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 1:16 PM
Last Edited 1091 days ago

Anyway, McLaren watched Hamilton's progress for a few years before they took him under their wing. He didn't walk up to Ron Dennis and sign anything there and then.
We know Vettel can do wrong in your eyes. People can accept that. But you are clearly blind to other drivers achievements.

EDIT by CRASH.NET! Poster attack removed.

Dan - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 1:20 PM

Also no one is doubting Vettel's ability. He'll put any of us to shame in any car. But surely you can see other drivers have achieved as much as him. Maybe not in F1, but that's mainly down his car. You put any of the top guys in the Red Bull (Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen) they will all have won 3 titles in a row.
The point is, in junior catergories at least, others have achieved as much. Even Di Resta has beaten him in lower categories. All the top guys have got to F1 through talent and backing. That includes Vettel


February 11, 2013 1:30 PM

danny boy. attacking other posters is a sure sign that you have no legitimate reason for debate.

how can you know that others would have won in the bull? are you a clairvoyant? webber certainly did not win the wdc and he is considered a good driver

the simple fact is that seb and the bull have won three successive titles. anything else is just hearsay.

and why should i get off my computer? have i not got a right to express my opinions? note that i do not attack you.

as for comments on vettel. yes, i appreciate his skills, but have a look at my posts, i also talk up a large number of other drivers. i am too old to be taken in by stupid fanboyism, but if i see talent, then i have a right to my opinion.


February 11, 2013 1:40 PM

Richard, so you think they are just a drinks team? You and Lewis do agree on something. lol Regardless of how Vettel was nurtured, you are correct. He deserves everything he has won. And he is a very good driver.

Dan - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 1:51 PM

Another point Richard.

When I said the Hamilton/McLaren backing was crap. I didn't mean it didn't happen. I was reffering to your point. It's the same as Vettel/Alonso/Schumacher having backing. Because he was nurtured by an F1 team doesn't mean you automatically are better than anyone. You still have to deliver.

And yes I am a fan of Hamilton. But also Alonso. Who would have thought such a person could exist after 2007?


February 11, 2013 1:55 PM

rob. no, red bull are not a drinks company....they are a MARKETING company, and an extremely successful one at that. personally, i do not even like the brew that they market, but i admire their strategy. others such as monster, are now following suit, so maybe we will see a Monster f1 before long?

danny. sorry, but i NEVER attack other posters. might have a bit of fun with them, but never attack or insult. and for your info, i dont hate anyone, let alone lulu, but i do not see him as a phenomenal talent, as some others do. fast but unpredictable and prone to errors.

Dan - Unregistered

February 11, 2013 2:06 PM

So accusing me of 'stupid fanboyism' and questioning me over being a clairvoyant is ok then?

In that case I can accuse you of 'stupid fanboyism' towards Vettel. And are you a talent scout? You seem to know everything about 'great talent'.

I will agree with you on some points above about Lewis, not lulu. But he is regarded by many as the fastest driver on the grid.

Just a question. If Red Bull aren't a drinks company, but a marketing one. Does that mean Ferrari aren't a car company? Red Bull are primarily a drinks company.

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