F1 » Vettel wins F1 2013 Malaysian GP

Sebastian Vettel triumphs in Malaysia ahead of Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton

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maglalako - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 12:55 PM

@ 107Setc richard Tealeaf

What's a sham is that Vettel wanted to use team orders to get Mark out of the way when he couldn't pass the "too slow" Webber and then disobey team orders when the race was already called off by Redbull. That's a real sham.

As for Merc, I think Rosberg will outqualify Hamilton in China and probably defend his 2012 victory there.

Chris - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 12:58 PM

Farcical team orders at Mercedes so soon. I thought the sheer genius of Hamilton was supposed to give him half a second or so over Rosberg yet he needs help already. Such a transparent PR fix. We've spent **** loads on our new boy so he just has to finish ahead of his team mate.
Why when Rosberg and Hamilton are swopping places earlier and it was clear that Rosberg was the quicker of the two and it was known that Lewis was low on fuel was Lewis not simply told to let him go. PR and nothing else, but that only works if you can't see through it.
On a positive note, the fact that Schumacher often had the upper hand over Rosberg in 2012 for me shows that Schumacher was still at 43.


March 24, 2013 1:16 PM

elijah. there is NO rule that you MUST use team orders!

and as for your point that the driver who is ahead after the pit stops should be "allowed " win, have a look at the replay! seb was actually leading, (by a nose) when webber exited the pit road, so by your inspired rule, seb was permitted to win?

but have you ever raced? i can tell you that when you are beside a fellow competitor, you will do your best to beat him. that is exactly what seb did. rbr were concerned about tyres, but seb knew he could control the wear, so did what we all wanted him to do....RACE.

sunny, i know that rbr used team orders, and as stated, i hate that. seb was told early in the race, to stay behind webber (tyre saving) and did so, but was told to be patient. patient for what? a chance to pass?, a chance to make up time in the pit?
it sounds as if rbr knew that seb wouldpass webber in time. the "incident " happened on lap 43/44, was a team order given on lap 42?. all that was said (per broadc

Zelda - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 1:17 PM

DC stated that Hamilton had the beating of Nico back in their karting days. Hamilton is an F1 driver on merit. Right time, right place? To quote Arry Redknapp, 'forsure'!
However, I think the tyre issue is curbing the out and out racer that he is. If he is to win another WDC he is going to need the best car which Seb has had for 3 years or a substantial change in the tyres. They need to last and allow the 'racers' to race and not allow the best car or best management drivers who are not necessarily the fastest ala JB to contest the front.
Having said that Nico must feel a little disturbed so early in the season to have to defer. Hamilton IS the faster driver and offers Merc their best chance of challenging.
Ross Brawn knows other teams will do the same and is only following their lead.
Once again, well done Hamilton in acknowledging his luck today.


March 24, 2013 1:18 PM
Last Edited 1050 days ago

(per broadcast) was "dont be silly". that could have refered to taking a risk to get past, but does not mean that an order ws neccessarily in place at that time.
i should add.....i think that mercs discussions over the air, were far worse and demoralising for any driver. presumably they wanted to show petronas that they had spent their money wisely?

Observer - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 1:30 PM

@Elijah. Your point about maintaining the running order after pit stops, hypocritical as it is considering how team orders are usually hated here, might apply to RBR to a degree. With Merc the situation was entirely different. Britney was so much faster than Hamilton, that it wasn't a case of avoiding the danger of an inter-team battle. Britney could have just passed Hamilton and disappeared in to distance. Even worse was Merc flat out lying to Britney. "Lewis is doing the times we want, he can go a lot faster too". Yes for a lap or two and then run out of juice before the race is over. What kind of an idiot does Brawn think he has driving the second car. Merc short fueled Hamilton and he used too much fuel in a desperate attempt to stay with the leaders. Britney, who had driven a perfect race, was then punished for these two errors and was clearly not happy. Sadly for him the team wont "remember this" as he told them. They will keep shafting him as long as he keeps on following their

Observer - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 1:31 PM

They will keep shafting him as long as he keeps on following their orders. Finally to those of you who keep giving Hamilton credit he doesn't deserve on this matter. After this farce, can you honestly believe he didn't demand an absolute no.1 status in the team in his contract? And seeing as Hamilton fans are so fond of ifs and buts. It was McLarens ineptitude that gifted him the third place. Had they not screwed up Buttons race, he would have chased down the Mercs and Brawn would have had to let Britney make a pass and Button could well have been fourth leaving Hamilton fifth. Ifs and buts obviously don't mean anything, but it's nice to play this game the other way round for once.

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