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Sebastian Vettel triumphs in Malaysia ahead of Mark Webber and Lewis Hamilton

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richard

March 24, 2013 1:48 PM

rob. not blowing smoke! if vettel deied a strict instruction, then it is up to the team to take appropriate action. i am just talking about the facts as they unfolded. none of us know the full story.
however, disobeying or not, seb at leat provided some proper racing. shame that nico did not also do the same. imagine...saying that he could not go any slower!

observer. interesting that after melbourne, everybody was writing mclaren off. and look at how they have rebounded! perhaps a little bit of credit should be given to whitmarsh, after all the brickbats!

and then there was the force india fiasco, and lulus scenic tour of garages..........

elijah

March 24, 2013 1:52 PM
Last Edited 555 days ago

@richard, I think you will find your falsely quoted me, and I'm surprised you are so ardently defending Vettel's indefensible position .

@Observer, Hamilton short fuelled, used too much fuel and so would have been passed by Rosberg. I can agree with but, Hamilton's lack of speed was due to fuel saving and not anything else. Sure, Mercedes may be trying to protect face with Hamilton over this lack of fuel but, at this stage in the the team had nothing to lose to any rivals. I do not think Mercedes are trying to deliberately keep Rosberg back. If you're correct, I'd be the first to condemn them.
Without team orders , this discussion board would be half empty. I've always been against team orders but it's what the FIA and the teams want.

maglalako - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 1:54 PM

@richard

If Seb really wanted to "RACE", why did he ask the team to ask Mark to move him out of the way when he couldn't pass him.

Please, we all know you are wet for Wettle and are an admitted hamilton fanboy agitator, but please be objective here.

Just say Vettel did a very unsportsmanlike thing to Webber and then say maybe that's why he is a 3 time world champion. I would respect you more if you said that Vettel is an a-hole but he has to be one to succeed the way he has. Alot of greats have been that way, its in their DNA.

Observer - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 2:44 PM

I agree Richard. Writing off McLaren hasn't been a smart thing to do historically. They went for a complete redesign because according to them the old design would have hit the end of it's development curve halfway through the season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they have the fastest car for the second half of the season or even earlier. Whitmarsh get's a lot of undeserved abuse here, but that is to be expected. He was chosen as the reason for Hamiltons failure to dominate F1 the way many seem to have hoped. People seem to forget that Since 2000 McLaren has developed a habit of losing championships despite having a fast car and good drivers. The years with Raikkonen spring to mind for example and those can hardly be blamed on Whitmarsh, though I'm sure some will try to do exactly that. I'm not saying he's a great team manager, but he isn't anywhere close to as bad as commentators here would have us believe.

107SS2009

March 24, 2013 2:49 PM

Maglalako, you are out of order in your interpretations, I will repeat from my first post, lap 28, Vettel on Webber via radio “we have to get him out of the way, he is too slow” this was right after Vettel was ordered to keep station and gap at three seconds, pit to Vettel “Sabastian be patient”.
Richard, if you go back to my first post my quoted radio massages which are word for word includes the lap number they was transmitted.
Rob, Vettel operates on the same exact lines his team operates on, take the risk as chances are what you gain you keep whatever the outcome, so there is nothing to lose.

107SS2009

March 24, 2013 3:02 PM

Elijah, who are the teams that wanted team orders? I expected you to sustain what you said by naming them.
One thing is for sure the team/s most vocal against team orders openly used them today and using no codes thanks to the rule they fervently criticised at the time.

Observer - Unregistered

March 24, 2013 3:12 PM

@Elijah. Yes Merc had no rivals closing in and Hamiltons lack of pace was due to saving fuel. No arguments there. My problem with their call is this. Their strategy with Hamilton backfired. He used up too much fuel trying to keep up with the RBRs and wasn't able to pull a big enough gap on Britney. When Britneys strategy turned out to be better (or maybe he was just the better driver today) the team intentionally kept him behind Hamilton. Second race of the season and only minimal risk of crashing out, because Hamilton didn't have the fuel to fight with Britney. So one driver was denied a chance to execute his strategy to favor the teams other driver. I don't know what else you can call that but being well and truly shafted by the team. The way Merc treated Britney and talked to him on the radio was reminiscent of how Barichello was treated as Shcumis number two at Ferrari. It is one thing to tell your drivers not to crash while fighting for position. What happened here was Merc tellin

richard

March 24, 2013 3:13 PM

magla. simple! if you were following the race, you will have heard (as pointed out by sunny) seb being told to keep 3 secs behind webber. that meant that seb had to slow down. nfortunately for him, lulu was close to getting within drs distance, and seb needed to speed up. he coud not d this due to team orders, so he asked the team to get mark to let him past. pretty sensible really.
nico was also asking for the same pass over lulu, but there was not the same urgency as there was no one catching. had nico been allowed past lulu, ther was every possibility that he could have caught up with the bulls, as he was lapping faster.

but it is sad when the top four runners are all being subjected to team orders. and the season is just beginning!
i would expect them from brawn, but i am somewhat surprised at red bull using them when there was no real need.

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