F1 » 'Raw' Webber considering quitting?


Mark Webber: I think it's very early days right now, it's very raw, obviously, and we need to work out how the team goes best forwards from here

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John - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:24 AM

"The burden of proof is on you. You now have to back up these statements "

You have a novel idea of how debates work, dear. I asked you earlier what sort of evidence you'd like to see. You never answered, because of course you have NO data of your own and your entire mode of argument is to let me present data and then say "I won't accept that".

That's not your decision to make.

Angelina - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:28 AM

"I asked you earlier what sort of evidence you'd like to see"

I must have missed that. I want a source where someone in the team has said on interview that Mark did not turn down his engine.

The reason I won't accept you other evidence, is because it doesn't irrefutably back up your statement. There are other reasonable explanations for similar and decreasing lap times between Webber and Vettel

taliz

March 25, 2013 12:28 AM
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I'd love to see Webber stick it to Seb a couple of times before he hangs his helmet up. Next time there's a code 21 and the positions are the opposite, GO WEBBER GO!

John - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:28 AM

"race 2 is till early days so the most points grabbed the earliest, the better"

What kind of argument is that? Later in the season when the title is on the line, you won't want to grab the most points possible? Team orders are usually saved for the ends of races and ends of seasons.

If you're going to use team orders with 15 laps to go in the second race of the season, you may as well use them all the time in every race.

Angelina - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:31 AM

The philosophical burden of proof or onus (probandi) is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position

The legal burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the obligation resting on a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will shift the conclusion away from the default position to one's own position

John - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:31 AM

"There are other reasonable explanations for similar and decreasing lap times between Webber and Vettel "

Lets hear them. And don't give me the "differences in drivers" nonsense. To the extent that they are differences between these two drivers Vettel is the faster by some distance, as anybody who's watched F1 in the last several years knows.

Angelina - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:36 AM

Ok...let's say decreasing fuel.

Also, can you tell us where you got your fastest lap time statistics...because others on this forum have shown them to be demonstrably false.

John - Unregistered

March 25, 2013 12:37 AM

"The philosophical burden of proof or onus (probandi) is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position"

That's wonderful.

Still waiting for you to fulfill your obligation and provide sufficient warrant for your position. So far you have offered a big fat nothing, preferring to cast brickbats at the data I'm providing. You've offered nothing to support you position and you seem quite unaware that you need to.

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