F1 » Ecclestone slams Red Bull for driver feud

Bernie Ecclestone hits out at Red Bull for causing the issues that have developed between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel following the Malaysian Grand Prix

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Senna fan - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 5:30 AM

I don't see the problem. Webber has never been a team player and has disobeyed team orders in the past. Is F1 so boring these days that a minor incident such a the current drivers champion asserting his dominance over his much less successful team mate? When did F1 become a charity?

Senna fan - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 5:32 AM

I don't see the problem. Webber has never been a team player and has disobeyed team orders in the past. Is F1 so boring these days that a minor incident such a the current drivers champion asserting his dominance over his much less successful team mate? When did F1 become a charity?


March 27, 2013 6:04 AM

@ uinthemirror

I am not for one second suggesting that. But they played a LOT of radio chat between Rosberg and Brawn and there was not ONE mention in those transmissions saying he should switch to Fuel Saving Mode... Yet there was PLENTY of Brawn just saying BACK OFF!

I use my own sense to fill in the gaps. I am pretty sure, had they told Rosberg to switch to fuel saving because he too was running low, he would have to make the end of the race...

Ghost-of-Ayrton - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 6:35 AM

There's a time for team orders but race 2 in the season, when a team is headed for a 1-2 like Red Bull, or a 3-4 like Mercedes, team orders are a disgrace and an insult to the people who're watching.

Webber shouldn't be whinging because no matter what he might choose to dream, he's not as fast as Vettel.

Rosberg was the one who truly suffered in Malaysia. Without team orders he would unquestionably have been third, at the least.

ade - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 7:15 AM

dont shoot me

REDBULL has sponsers and MW has some big ones in RB and sponsers want to see there man win races and RB would have wanted to reward mark for his loyalty to RB last year

MERC is a little more to the point LEWIS is a MERC boy if u cut him in two u see the MERC star through him and MERC payed big bucks to keep him in f1 over the years (macs may have taken the boy there but MERC payed for him )so he will be there golden on till he can t win the championship

and BERNIE u said team orders was ok so look in the mirror its your fault again silly old sod (we love to hate u but also we love u to .... hows he been able to do that )

i am sure i get less green thumbs but hayhoo

Yamaha R1 - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 7:50 AM

Message to crash.net.........the vettel story is now getting a bit long in the tooth now so instead of causing more trouble take them down and find something else to report on the btcc starts the weekend focus on that!!!

IFonly - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 9:59 AM

F1 is a team sport. It always was.
Team orders have always existed, even when they were not allowed - refer to Schumacher / Massa, Irvine etc...
The FIA was forced to make team orders legal again because Ferarri and others were always going to ignore this rule anyway.
Bernie knows this but has made this statement because he doesn't like the bad publicity and the spoiling of his "show" because it may have a detrimental effect on his bottom line during the rest of the year.
It's either legal or it's not. Bernie needs to make up his mind which way he wants the rules to work and manipulate them accordingly.


March 27, 2013 12:10 PM

35edme. i cannot answer your question fully, but i will try as far as possible. fuel flow , usage, etc is all monitored by the pits. the cars do not have a fuel guage but all the parameters are entered into the pit computer. this can forecast what needs to be done to ensure that the car finishes with the amount of fuel required for testing. remember lulu having to close down his engine in quali, as the computer said that there would not be enough fuel to test? and then vettel arrived with too little fuel to test?
merc relied on a safety car when fuel would be saved, and short fuelled lulus merc. he burnt up too much and had to slow down. contd


March 27, 2013 12:15 PM

contd. so simply put..seb would not know how much fuel he had. as fuel weighs, and weight slows the car down, all teams put in the very minimum amount envisaged for a race distance.
as regards tyres..temps , pressures etc are monitored ok, bu it is the drivers sight and feel that tells the story. rbr told seb that there was "concern" for his left front. it looked ok on tv, so it may have been an effort to slow seb down. the tyres DO have a finite life and drop off is quite severe, but i reckon that seb would have been the one to spot this, not the pits.
sunny is more au fait about fuel monitoring, so he may add more

1341jb - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 12:38 PM

Only on page 8 of comments and fed up about should, shouldn't be team orders or team orders should be later in season.
Get a grip, the current rules allow team orders, obviously all involved teams, management, governing body etc etc agreed to and signed up to this either unanimously or by majority.
So under current rules of the game Vettel was wrong and should be sanctioned. And for those saying it is to early in the season, when would it be the right time to have team orders? 7th race 12th race, 15th ?????

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