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Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko insists all is well within the team despite the controversy surrounding the Malaysian Grand Prix

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mxbabe - Unregistered

March 27, 2013 11:04 PM

The first thing that Red Bull need to do is get rid of Helmet Marko- the guy is poison and so biased towards Seb. His comments towards Mark are usually spitful, and show a horrendous culture in that team. Was a big fan of Seb,but this incident shows a superiority complex, and that he believes he is bigger than the team. This view is seems to be supported by Helmet Marko.

izybluffen

March 28, 2013 12:15 AM
Last Edited 492 days ago

@ Richard - Still going at it hammer and tongs hey ???

Let's ask a different question then:

When has Mark ever not followed team orders and stolen a win off Bieber ???

The answer is never.

But Bieber has now and then there is Turkey.

I'm all for racing aswell and I don't like team orders either, but these aren't the good old days and because of tyres, engines, gearboxes etc I understand and accept the team trying to span the whole season making parts last.

Bieber has crashed into Mark trying to steal a win (another sucker punch with his engine turned down)which has caused the whole rift in the first place which RB engineered, then we have Malaysia.
Beiber goes way beyond what Mark has ever done.

Also Schumi and Senna never broke team orders, only gentlemen's agreements between drivers which is one thing but not following team orders is a whole other bag of trouble.

Marko should indeed be sacked, if anyone.

cknopp - Unregistered

March 28, 2013 12:29 AM

Seb is the best driver on the current grid, his WDC count proves that objectively. Fanbois cannot argue objectively, so they bring in the subjective "feelings, beliefs, spirits" to bend the arguement to demonize/favor their driver of choice.

If I were Seb Vettel, I'd be sitting in on this meeting saying "Make me the clear #1 and get a driver in the #2 car that understands that role for 2014, or I'm going to Ferrari."

And then Massa would announce at China his inevitable departure to RBR for 2014.

Then, after taking WDC#4 in 2012, its onto 5,6,7 and 8 through the new Turbo era.

It's too bad that Seb doesn't use his weight to better his position like the haters truly like to argue that he does... There would be no drama like this, because it would be clockwork...

izybluffen

March 28, 2013 12:56 AM
Last Edited 492 days ago

@ cknopp - So Seb wants team orders to benefit himself, like "get Mark out of the way", the same time Webber started pulling fastest laps and left Bieber in the dust, but then wont follow team orders after Mark turned his engine down to finish the race ???

It's not very often Mark is quicker than Seb but that day he was and deserved the win. If Bieber was faster then why didn't he pass Mark before the last pitstop when Mark was on full power. The answer is he couldn't and waited until Mark turned his fuel down which is cheating, dirty and shows him to be the spoilt brat he is.

I would love to see Ferdi, Kimi or Lulu in the same team as Bieber. Things would be very different.

BTW what makes you think that an extra title due to car makes Bieber a better driver than Ferdi ??? Majority of people, team owners and fans think Ferdi is better.

Also Bieber does not like turbos.

cknopp - Unregistered

March 28, 2013 12:59 AM

Seb is the best driver on the current grid, his WDC count proves that objectively. Fanbois cannot argue objectively, so they bring in the subjective "feelings, beliefs, spirits" to bend the arguement to demonize/favor their driver of choice.

If I were Seb Vettel, I'd be sitting in on this meeting saying "Make me the clear #1 and get a driver in the #2 car that understands that role for 2014, or I'm going to Ferrari."

And then Massa would announce at China his inevitable departure to RBR for 2014.

Then, after taking WDC#4 in 2012, its onto 5,6,7 and 8 through the new Turbo era.

It's too bad that Seb doesn't use his weight to better his position like the haters truly like to argue that he does... There would be no drama like this, because it would be clockwork...

cknopp - Unregistered

March 28, 2013 1:02 AM

@izy

The only objective measurement of drivers is:

WDC Wins
Race WIns
Pole Positions

Anything else is just fanboi.

And I wouldn't care if Mark might be faster, he is the second driver. He has had, according to your last statement, the best car and hasn't even come in second in the WDC.

It is obvious why he should at all times step aside and let the man come through. Thinking anything else is above Mark's talent level, like Seb reminded him again in Malaysia.

izybluffen

March 28, 2013 1:08 AM
Last Edited 492 days ago

I agree team orders should not be used so early in a season to favour a driver and they weren't.

It was "you guys can race until the last pitstop then wind the cars back and bring them home"

Seb couldn't get past Mark before the last pitstop and like Topgun - broke a major rule of engagement - going below the seadeck - Attacking after the last pitstop.

So what if Mark is No.2. Until Bieber clears off in the points then Mark has every right to win. You're now contradicting yourself.

Kakao - Unregistered

March 28, 2013 1:44 AM


@izybluffen


"When has Mark ever not followed team orders and stolen a win off Bieber ???"

He ignored team order in Silverstone 2011 and did not overtake Seb cause he was unable to do so.

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