F1 » Vettel was wrong, say F1 fans

Fans unimpressed by Sebastian Vettel's actions in the 2013 F1 Malaysia Grand Prix, with the vast majority voting he was wrong to disobey team orders and 'steal' the victory from his Red Bull team-mate, Mark Webber.

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John - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 1:25 AM

"People there have always been team orders and any true follower of F1 knows this"

And F1 fans have always hated team orders and supported drivers who ignored them - until now.

John - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 1:40 AM

Funny, funny stuff!

After SIlverstone 2011 the "F1 fans" of this here web site were asked if Red Bull were right to impose team orders, or was Webber right to ignore team orders.

And the response of the "F1 fans" was, to put it mildly, rather different. Back than 77.5% of them thought Webber was in the right and Red Bull were in the wrong. Same team, same two drivers, same situation - all that's changed is that this time Vettel ignored the orders and back then Webber did.

Flagrantly dishonest hypocrites, the lot of you.

f2pilot - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 2:45 AM

yep John is absolutely right.... what comes around, goes around... thoese two got issues and if RedBull wants to stop the games then stop giving them orders takethe radio out n let them race... I hate corporate fixed races as that's not real racing!

Tony H - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 3:02 AM

Theres nothing quite so unique in sport when an Aussie gets beaten even by a three times World Champion. Here of course the German thing rears its head as in football etc. The point that seemingly Horner and Webber seem to miss is that as in any sport the vast majority of spectators pay extortionate prices to see a World Champion who after all was in Pole Position. I can imagine the likes of Fangio, Moss, Clark,Hunt and especially Senna being told that and their reaction to following what ammounts to a journeyman.

MrPotatoHEAD - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 3:27 AM

This isn't so much a question of drivers being underhanded, the real problem lies in the management of the team. The person who came out of the whole situation looking bad was Christian Horner. When Vettel was trying to force his way past Webber, at no time was there a firm and absolute command from him, unlike Ross Brawn who in no uncertain terms made it clear to Rosberg what he was being employed to do at that particular moment, when Rosberg also wanted to pass Hamilton. Helmut Marco then dropped Horner right in it in his post race comments saying it was Horners decision to make. If the boss loves you and supports you over the team principal and the lack of controlled leadership from the team principal creates an environment which allows you to bend the rules with impunity, of course you are going to take advantage of that to your own benefit. F1 drivers are single minded, selfish and cold blooded. It's up to the team to handle them and make sure they put team interests first. That's

MrPotoatoHEAD - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 3:38 AM

Thanks to crash for losing half of my post. Basically, if Vettel is allowed to behave like that then he will make his own decisions as would any other driver in that position and with that amount of support from the top. That's why Webber said that Vettel made his own decision and will get protection as usual. We don't know half of the politics going on behind the scenes with Marco opposed to Webber at Red Bull anyway, stating that he is a waste of time. Im not biased to either driver but Webber hasn't got a hope of achieving anything at Red Bull and sorry to say, isn't quite as fast as his team mate.

MrPotatoHEAD - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 3:56 AM

That would be Webbers only answer, to beat his team mate. As for Vettel's character, that's a question he will have to answer and live with. His aim is to be a multiple world champion, not to win friends and influence people. All the greats have been morally flawed, that's probably a part of what made them great. Certainly it's what helped them become the champions they are. RedBullgate has far more to do with team management than the bickerings of two drivers.

Ptolemy - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 4:13 AM

I would like to provide some alternate titles to this story...
"Hamilton, Fernando, and Jenson Fanboys team up to criticize Vettel for winning in Malaysia."
"British 'fans' say Vettel was wrong for winning Malaysian GP."
"Non-German speaking F1 fans say Vettel was wrong for 'violating' Webber's 'rights' in Malaysia."

For an unbiased opinion from across the pond I say...
"German wins in Malaysia, driving for and Austrian team in the fastest car in the world that is designed and made in the United Kingdom."

Ab - Unregistered

April 02, 2013 4:45 AM

to anyone still doubting mark, i just checked the lap times leading up to the last pit stops.
At lap 37, webber to vettel was 3.7 seconds. multi21 was called and both drivers were instructed to go to lower engine settings which they both did. at the end of 40 the gap was 4.2 seconds. vettel was pitting at the end of the lap 41 while mark was still coasting, he sneakily turned everything up to 11 and cut the margin to webber by a over a second (hard to tell as he pitted) so you don't get the full lap time. mark pitted at the end of the next lap by which time the gap was 0.2 seconds.

every time vettel was reducing the gap before the pit, mark would respond. it's not like vettel disobeyed orders and mark was forced to race. he sneaked a sucker punch. there was nothing sporting about it, nor did he do it on racing talent. mark should have decked him at the end of the race. ..... and i was finally starting to like the guy.

Jim Clausen

April 02, 2013 7:15 AM

The poll results are amazing. 81% of those polled don't think the fastest car/driver should win. I guess it's more of a"I hate Vettel" thing. When Vettel was coming up, even after his first championship, I didn't see this kind of dislike for Vettel. Since I don't know Vettel, I have neither fondness or dislike for him. I do admire any driver who wins 3 WDCs on the trot, though.

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