F1 » Fernley: Half the grid would win with Red Bull


Paul di Resta would be a front-runner in the right car, but so would 50 per cent of the grid, admits Force India's Bob Fernley.

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F1 Rules! - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 4:24 PM

@John,

Let us keep the discussion as open, factual, honest and balanced as we possibly can. (And no need for Crash to delete this post, as I am not baiting John, just stating some facts).

Webber very nearly won the WDC in 2010 in the Red Bull, so that makes Fernley near-technically accurate in his analysis. He is not wide off the mark and Webber is not as "bad" as some make out. There are many factors that go into winning any WDC.

If the Ferrari pitwall had not been spooked by Webber pitting in Abu Dhabi 2010, then Fernando would not have got held up by Petrov's Renault and he would likely have won his 3rd WDC - and Vettel would still be on two WDC's and Fernando on three. And so it goes on......

I know it's all woulda coulda shouldas now, but they are wouldas coulda shouldas that have a factual basis to them.

F1 Rules! - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 4:36 PM

And if Kimi hadn't narrowly avoided Vettel in Brazil a few months ago, then Fernando would have won yet another WDC.....and so it goes on. For me, there is very little difference between all the top drivers, so the endlessly heated debates on forums like this are simply fuelled by fans having "favourites" among those different drivers. Simples!

Kyunoske - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 4:38 PM

@Bob

Please give the JB/LH debate a rest. The top teams only talk about 4 drivers for a reason and JB is not one of them.

The cream will always rise to the top, but a great car will always give a good driver a shot of winning a race. I think almost everyone agrees with this.

nymad - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 5:46 PM

I honestly doubt that PDR could win a championship in an RB... I do however believe that either of his two (past and present) FI teammates could.
Although we see flashes of performance, they are always at tracks where his car is known to be competitive. He has never outperformed his car, unlike Hulkenberg and Sutil managed to on numerous occasions.

bob - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 6:03 PM

@rb27

"Except that is simply not true and before you accuse me of being a Hamilton fan I really do not care for either Button or Hamilton.

I suggest you maybe have a look at the stats again between these 2 drivers."

What I said was this - "What is relevant is that JB went from lower midfield to winning races, championships and regularly mixing it up with and beating LH - the so called 'fastest driver' in F1. "

What, exactly, is not true about the above statement?

Did Button not go from the Honda which was lower midfield at best to winning races in the Brawn and McLaren?

Did Button not win a championship?

Did Button not mix it up with Hamilton and keep him more than honest?

Did Button not beat Hamilton? Both in races and over the course of a season?

Please point out exactly what part of my statement wasn't true.

bob - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 6:09 PM

@Kyunoske

"The cream will always rise to the top, but a great car will always give a good driver a shot of winning a race. I think almost everyone agrees with this."

I take it you are referring to the Brawn. Fair enough, it was a great car.

But the simple fact remains that while team mates with Hamilton he went toe to toe with Hamilton and didn't get smashed like everyone thought - in fact he even beat him in one of their seasons together and out scored him overall.

This is a fact that cannot be denied.

Another fact that cannot be denied is that Hamilton has failed to finish any higher than 4th in the WDC since 2008.

Sure, in 2011 Hamilton had a bad season, but this takes nothing away from the fact that Button had a CRACKING season. Even if Hamilton had a good season in 2011, he still would not have beaten Button.

The statistics prove it.

Since Button has been in a front running car he has finished in the top two positions in the WDC twice. In that same time Hamilton has f

bob - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 6:10 PM

@Kyunoske

cont...

Since Button has been in a front running car he has finished in the top two positions in the WDC twice. In that same time Hamilton has failed to finish higher than 4th.

I guess you're right - the cream really does rise to the top!

richard

April 29, 2013 6:29 PM

here we go again. " my driver is better than your driver etc etc."

fernley says any top driver could win in the rbr, yet webber gets the odd win. so is he not a top driver?

john , you say that webber was one of the fastest drivers, but he has hardly shown much of this outright speed. and his consistency is not good enough to make him a wdc. his best chance was thrown away by a totally unforced error.
but i would put webber ahead of di resta any day of the week, but as others have said, hulk or sutil would be on a par with webber, so yes, maybe they could get te odd win. but as long as vettel is on top of his game, nobody else will have much of a chance.

David Chaste - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 6:47 PM

@ bob. Well let's see how button finishes this season with mclaren then. He was left with a team whose car was nearly on par with the the bull towards the end of last year, and the rules have barely changed. They can even use last season's car for 2013. Meanwhile hamilton went to a team that was on a down hill spiral.

Fact remains that they were together for 3 seasons and hamilton beat button for 2 of those. And last year hamilton was the one setting up button's car.

bob - Unregistered

April 29, 2013 6:50 PM

Like I said originally, what he is saying is that many of the drivers on the grid, midfield or otherwise, would have a good go in the RB and many would win.

My JB/LH comparison was simply proof that a driver given the right machinery can go from the midfield to the front of the grid.

As I also said, Paul has previously been Vettel's team mate and beaten him. Whether this would hold true in F1 is anyone's guess, but the precedent is there.

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