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Pirelli confirms changes to be made to its F1 tyres for the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal

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Ruiner41 - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 6:01 PM

People complain about team orders, but Pirelli has dictated how drivers race and how teams determine their strategy since they began supplying tires. As a fan, I want to see the drivers push their cars to the limit at every race, not nurse them around the track, lap after lap. Tire management should be a part of F1 racing, not its sole focus.

F1 Rules! - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 6:52 PM

But isn't that the WHOLE POINT? Is it the tyres' fault that the drivers cannot push the cars to the limit? Or is it the flawed design that fails to work well with the tyres, which are designated well in advance??

Alonso, Kimi and Massa were racing flat out on Sunday and left everyone in the dust. When Vettel's car worked the tyres well and he disappeared into the distance in the previous race, I guess everything was fine then.

And why didn't Merc ask Lewis and Nico to do a 4-stop like Alonso, race hard and just come in for tyres as they needed them? Should Pirelli hold the hands of the best engineers in the world and help/babysit them to make their cars go faster on the designated tyre??

107SS2009

May 14, 2013 7:15 PM

It is a fact that (the teams/drivers/their supporters and DIDI INCLUDED) that are screaming murder re the Pirelli tyres all have an axe to grind, instead of screaming murder all the above should be talking real facts as it stands in F1, the facts are that the two established men at the very top of F1 CAR DESIGN namely Ross Brawn (Mercedes) and Adrian Newey (Red Bull) has been beaten so far this year by lesser known men at Ferrari and Lotus.
I will repeat my question from yesterday, is it right or just/fair for Pirelli to change the goal posts to help Mercedes and Red Bull car design cope better with their tyres at the expense of FERRARI and Lotus?.
Or should by right just and a fair way Mercedes and Red Bull try harder to make their car use the current tyres as good as or better than Ferrari and Lotus?.
I challenge everybody on this forum to answer the above questions but no BS OR GRINDING OF AXES.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 7:34 PM

The funny thing is all F1 has to do is institute weight penalties to keep the 'processions' from happening, instead 'we' let Pirelli design the tires to 'their spec' so they decide, not the teams on the pace of the race and setup required to get the tires working.

What's fair about letting Pirelli dictate the setup required to get the most out of the tires? When has letting one person/organization dictate terms been fair? Why are people so easily impressed that a single tire is fair? Maybe its because people believe what they see on TV with out thinking it out for themselves.

Mark _

May 14, 2013 8:02 PM

@sunny - unless it is a safety issue it is not fair. The excessive marbles from these tires are preventing people from driving off line. If they could reduce the marbles and give teams more sets of tires so they can at least make more stops it would have been better.

richard

May 14, 2013 8:04 PM

sunny. shame on you mentioning brawn and newey in the same breath! newey is a designer, brawn is NOT a designer, he is a team principal!

and you say the goalposts should not be moved? well, they were last ear, several times, and they were this year, all to handicap the bulls! you cannot have it both ways.

Fastlane66 - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 8:05 PM

I bet the Pirelli tires will be same with more Rubber Marbles on the track. If they have technology to fix it up and then they have already fixed it in 2012 season.
You can see the Pirelli tire quality is worst and worst with the whole rubber thread coming off from tire.
I don't think Pirelli has intentionally made the tire to happen like that.
Now Pirelli has nearly 2 1/2 year in F1 but they couldn't control amount of Rubber Marbles coming out from Tires. Obviously, the Pirelli does not have technology for F1 car.
I believe Pirelli should leave Formula One before driver seriously injury from tire related crash on track. It will be PR disaster for Pirelli if it's happened.
FIA should rethink about Tire supplier regulation. Money saving on poor quality Tire does not make any sense regarding to Drivers' safety.
I don't care which team has won the race but I want watch F1 race without accident and less rubbishes on track.
I'm not Red Bull fan or Vettel fan.

107SS2009

May 14, 2013 8:21 PM

In my opinion a single tyre suppler is best for F1.
What some term as tyre specification is dictated to Pirelli by the FIA.
Car setup has nothing to do with the problems of Mercedes and Red Bull.
If a setup to solve the problem was possible on the Mercedes and Red Bull designs (car) as is be assured that they would have done it.
I do think about what I see on TV, and a lot at that.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 8:25 PM

Asking for weaker tires and then actually designing, building a tire to specification are two completely different things. FIA doesnt tell Pirelli how to make their tires. I am sure Ferrari dont mind how Pirelli make their tires though, seems to be benefiting them for the last 1.3 years. Wasnt Ferrari's car a big pos last year, yet Alonso still managed to have 'great' pace on his tires.... hmmmm. hmmmmmmm. I wonder how Pirelli engineer their tires, do the FIA control that too?

F1 Rules! - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 8:30 PM

@prof,

Last time I checked, it was not one individual dictating anything, as you suggest. It is called The FIA. I believe they are the democratically elected members of the organisation designated to run our sport - and they directed the tyre manufacturer to deliver a particular tyre spec and informed all the teams of this decision. Now some don't like it and they are moaning at Pirelli.

If you don't like the quality of the work done by the organisation designated to run the sport, you are free to criticise them, write to them and protest - or create an online petition to have them removed/unelected at the next election or whatever.

LOL

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