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Pirelli confirms changes to be made to its F1 tyres for the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal

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May 14, 2013 8:52 PM

Richard, why is it exactly that I should be ashamed for mentioning Brown and Newey at the same time? Don't you regard them as the top two men in F1?.
I know that Newey is a designer but you are mistaken big time if you believe that he designs (in the proper sense of the word) the Red Bull car.
No the goal posts weren't moved, what was done was stopping Red Bull breaking the rules (off throttle mapping, lunch control, traction control, hole in floor, holes in wheel hub) but one problem remained, that is they were left to keep the points gained while breaking the rules.
And still no answer to my questions!

Jamison Emmett

May 14, 2013 9:06 PM

This is utter rubbish changing the tyres part way through the season. This is totally bowing to one team by the heads of F1. Lotus and Ferrari have made the best out of the tyre situation and on various strategies have won. So Red Bull shut up, and learn how to deal with things when you design your car wrong. And why are you crying? You have won multiple races and lead the championships. I guess now that there is true competition they are afraid.

pete - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 10:10 PM

107 wrote: Car setup has nothing to do with the problems of Mercedes and Red Bull.
If a setup to solve the problem was possible on the Mercedes and Red Bull designs (car) as is be assured that they would have done it."

It's not car set up, but rather suspension geometry. If you look closely at what Lotus did, they incorporated items from the Toyota LeMans car into theirs. Ferrari used to have a problem that they couldnt' get enough heat into their tires for qualifying, but were great in a race because their suspensions are kind to tires. Well now it's paying off for those 2 teams. But to say that Newey and Brawn can just change things on a moment's notice without consideration on how the entire package works is not realistic. They need time to figure it out and as it relates to Newey, I'm positive he will get it right.

can someone please explain to me the drastic difference between 3 pit stops in a race and 4?

i don't understand why this is a big deal? if you're gonna actually have pit stops, what is the difference between 3 or 4? or 5? or 2?

it's just an arbitrary number.

if a race has 4 pit stops, does something automatically change that makes its not a race anymore?

i'm confused

bjr - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 10:56 PM

We had similiar rubbish with tyres in MotoGP last year. Control tyres means organisers can manufacture "racing" results.

I'd like to see a single manufacturer put forward a range of tyres and don't change anything for 5 years. Let the teams choose the tyre thats suits their car one week before the grand prix. If RBR want super softs while Ferrari want super hard for a given circuit then it's their choice. But at least the super soft you choose one year will be the same tire next year and the year after.....

jay - Unregistered

May 14, 2013 11:44 PM

Tyre companies want to be asociated with top flight motorsport because it's good for business. (although how you truely guage the link between involvement and sales is debatable)
But I'm not sure what Barcelona did for Pirelli's image...........irrespective of what their brief was.


May 15, 2013 2:45 AM

Pete, totally agree with the technicalities but totally baffled by your interpretations of what I said.
Will repeat, if there are two men/teams that can find a good set up (if there is one possible) that's these two men/teams.
And additionally, yes, if there was a possibility that things can be changed at a moment's notice these two men/teams can do it.
There might be instances were design as is will restrict or makes it hard/harder to change geometry of suspension, an example/s are pick up points and parts of the real suspension being inside the gearbox (where the clutch is supposed to be).
it was rumoured that Force India tried their version of FRIC in Spain but reverted back to normal suspension.

ghog - Unregistered

May 15, 2013 7:03 AM

107 SS " (off throttle mapping, lunch control, traction control, hole in floor, holes in wheel hub"

OMG how can Seb & Mark drive for a Team that operates Lunch Control?

These guys need their grub!

(Only kidding)

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