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Ferrari joins Lotus in hitting out at Pirelli's decision to alter its tyres ahead of the Canadian Grand Prix

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107SS2009

May 17, 2013 5:40 PM

Richard, I will be the first to defend your right to express an opinion but that also gives a right to others not to agree with your opinion.
The tyres are performing according to supplied test tyres last year in Brazil, as per supplied tyres in testing in Spain this year, as per the sixty percent scale tyres supplied for wind tunnel testing, as per the supplied PACEJEKA model of the physical properties of the tyres as specified by the FIA, no Teams (some of them) did not design to incorrect data, they designed incorrectly to the data supplied, Mercedes has been doing it for the last three years and RBR looks like they tried hard to follow suit. Regardless of the tyres being good or bad, regardless of how long they last Mercedes and RBR are running their tyres above the operating temperature, Mercedes by as much as twenty/twenty five degrees.

richard

May 17, 2013 5:59 PM

sunny. I have no problem with the construction of the tyres, purely the changed compounds. that is where the problem is. I am all for no changes in construction, as (and you agree with me here) the cars were designed to run with the new construction, which replaced Kevlar by steel, and stiffening the sidewalls. but the compound which has already been changed this year, is degrading outside the given parameters. don't forget, the HARDEST compound was acting like the supersoft. mabe Pirelli did not anticipate the different loads on the compound, caused by the stiffer sidewalls? they are now changing compounds, which appears to be the solution.
ps congrats on last night........see you tomorrow!

107SS2009

May 17, 2013 6:04 PM

Facts to when Renault were using Michelins.
Michelin were deliberately exceeding the maximum allowed tread width, Michelin had been knowingly breaking a clear regulation, they had been caught and were forced to change their tyres in order to conform to the rules.

107SS2009

May 17, 2013 6:28 PM


The compound change was done by Pirelli after they declared it going to be done, this was before Spain, it was as a result of Mercedes and RBR screaming murder, before the race in Spain I said that Mercedes were going to be hit the hardest, neither Pirelli nor the FIA can and will change anything without first advising the teams of such change, the compounds change was done to the hard tyre only, the operating minimum temperature was lowered from 110 to 100 degrees. All compounds before that were as per tyres supplied since brazil sample last year.

Texas Roadhouse

May 17, 2013 6:29 PM
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Make changes to cure the delamination problem - this a safety issue after all. But nothing else. So RBR can't exploit all the downforce available to them - well tough. Like all the teams, design your car for the tyres, not the other way around. Lotus, Ferrari and Force India, and others seem able to cope (and Mercedes problems don't seem specific to this year's tyre spec). Everyone should suck it up for 2013, and then start next year with new spec tyres, along with all the other changes. I just hope that the pressure from Ferrari and Renault is enough to force Pirelli to do an about face.

Oh - and Pirelli may well have said they got it "wrong" (personally I think not). But the fact remains that this spec of tyre was the one ALL teams used to design their cars. So leave them that way. It will only be RBR and their fanbase who will be upset - again - tough.

107SS2009

May 17, 2013 6:40 PM

According to Mercedes boss (Toto) their 2014 car is expected to fair no better than this year's car.
Rumours were circulating that both FERRARI and RBR had already signed or committed to Pirelli for 2014, a cost of over one million for a season tyre supplies.

richard

May 17, 2013 7:27 PM

sunny. I saw that report on signing too, but it is odd. fia have not agreed with Pirelli as yet, so I wonder how two teams could sign a contract. what happens if any team will not sign a contract, or Pirelli do not give the overall contract to Pirelli?

Andy - Unregistered

May 17, 2013 7:41 PM

Can someone tell me was it not Ferrari who moaned about using the DRS all over the track during qualification, that it should only be used in the DRS zones only during qualification...... Ferrari has done there own fair share of moaning and whinging

richard

May 17, 2013 8:14 PM

i am rather surprised....just watching the f1 show on sky. they are saying that pirelli are in fact going back to last years construction but use this years compounds. the opposite of what i was thinking. so it looks as if all cars will have to recalculate their suspensions to cope with the softer sidewalls. i am puzzled as to how fia will react, as this is a material change. so in a way, i can understand ferrari and lotus being miffed, but then again, most of the other teams would be equally miffed, as it puts quite a extra work load on them.

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