F1 » Whitmarsh: We’re not giving up on 2013

Martin Whitmarsh insists that his McLaren team is not about to quit on the current F1 campaign in order to get its house in order for 2014 and beyond.

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whitew - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 11:50 AM

I agree Andy. Button had a massive advantage in 2009 and go on him for making the most of it before the others caught up.

But being honest, he is a middle of the road drive who only really competes when the car is perfect, if there is any problems with the car you can guarantee he is mid pack.

Not the sort of driver you choose as a team lead.

bob - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 11:51 AM

@mike b

Yeah, cause Button is no good at getting on the podium is he? Never mind 2009, or 2013, lets talk about 2010, 11 and 12 when they were team mates.

How many podiums did they each get then?

bob - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 11:57 AM


"But being honest, he is a middle of the road drive who only really competes when the car is perfect"

So what exactly does that say about Hamilton? You lot really make me laugh. Spend all your time telling us how great LULU is and how much raw speed he has and how he's so epic.

Then in the next breath you tell us that the driver that outscored him over 3 years is a slow midfield driver.

OK, for arguments sake let's forget that Button actually out scored Hamilton. He still had 8 wins to Hamilton's 10 and had 25 podiums to Hamilton's 22.

So again I say if Button is such a crap midfield driver what does that make Hamilton who only ever managed to finish 1 place higher than Button in the WDC?

mike b - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 12:32 PM

bob please remind me of the 2 drivers qualifying statistics between them whilst they were team mates as that may confirm the raw speed you mentioned.

Also why does everybody go on about more points scored over 3 years?
Anybody who watches the races will know that this is only because Hamilton had way more retirements than Button.
Last season even eg: Last race taken out of the lead, 2 races retired with mechanical whilst in the lead, Spain put to the back of grid no fault of his! Still finished ahead of Button though.
Also can you explain why Button won 6 out of the first 7 races in the Brawn and then went back to being normal Button again?

bob - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 12:43 PM

@mike b

"bob please remind me of the 2 drivers qualifying statistics between them"

mike, please remind me how many points Hamilton got towards the WDC for his efforts on Saturdays...

"Also why does everybody go on about more points scored over 3 years?"

I guess the same reason Hamilton fans go on about qualifying. Except the points thing is slightly more relevant.

"Last race taken out of the lead"

I suggest you check your facts fanboy. When Hamilton was taken out in Brazil last year Hulk was already past him, Hamilton was in second place! And even if he was still in the lead, lets all remember that he was in the process of being overtaken and would have soon been overtaken by Button as well!


May 22, 2013 12:45 PM

mikeb. at the end of the day, it is only the final result that matters! all drivers can suffer from various problems, some self inflicted , others not. so staying out of trouble is something that every driver also has to do.
if you disregarded dnfs, etc, the wdc tale would look totally different. it is impossible to compare drivers driving different cars at differing times etc etc
the person who comes second in the wdc, is the first loser. end of!


May 22, 2013 12:48 PM

@ bob, they finished 41 races together, JB finished ahead on 15 occasions. So in general when Hamilton avoided crashing into thing he was usually ahead. JB best season (2011) when he finished further behind Vettel than he did last year, they were both classified in 14 races and the head to head was 7 each.

mike b - Unregistered

May 22, 2013 1:15 PM

bob Well i suppose if you think totally out of control as he left his braking far too late to make the corner before piling into Hamilton is leading the race then that sort of sums up you knowledge of motorsport.

You still never answered my question about Buttons poor performance in the 2nd half of 2009?
As Button FANBOYS like your self always deem that he got that WDC on talent alone and not with a car advantage.


May 22, 2013 2:49 PM

mikeb. what is the opposite to a "button fanboy"? whatever it is, that would describe you! can people not have sensible debate on a thread that is not about button, without you venting your dislike of him. like all drivers, he has his good points and his badpoints, but he is a hell of a lot better driver than most on the grid.

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