F1 » Teams warned that Pirelli test could not be ‘in-season’

Further to the ramifications emerging from Sunday's accusations of an 'underhand' test, Mercedes could face sanctions for running during the annual testing hiatus.

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Eskimo F1 Fan - Unregistered

May 28, 2013 7:27 PM

If Mercedes is found to truly be in contravention of the sporting regulations, I would hope the two drivers wouldn't be overly punished. I think it would be appropriate to throw out all of Mercedes' Monaco points, and give the team at least a three-race ban in terms of scoring constructor's points. But let the racer's race for individual points. It would be a shame to exclude Hamilton and Rosberg from competition. The loss of constructor's points would cost Mercedes dearly, and the warning would go out to other teams.
That being said, it would appear right now most of the blame rests at Pirelli's feet. They are the sole supplier of tires, and a 1,000 km tire test would seem legit to me if I were Mercedes. If there were two suppliers, say Bridgestone and Pirelli, and Bridgestone offered this sort of thing, I would be more suspicious because it would appear Bridgestone might be pulling one over on Pirelli in this hypothetical. I think we have more to learn as information becomes availab

bozgp - Unregistered

May 28, 2013 7:50 PM


I kind of agree that Roseberg and Hamilton didn't have as much say in this as their bosses, even though I don't buy that they were oblivious to the rules for a second! But let's say they are innocent. They still gain an advantage and it wouldn't be fair to the other drivers racing for individual points, if the Merc drivers were allowed to gain points as a result of cheating.

kosh_al - Unregistered

May 28, 2013 9:24 PM

an4rew......monaco is one of the slowest races of the year and anyone who watches F1 knows that in that race especially, the cars most often finish in the order in which they started. there are few passing opportunities at monaco and attrition is one of the main ways cars advance at that race....sure the mercs havent been good on more than one lap but i think the monaco race is not the race to start all the fuss about...wait until the next race and see if merc still appears to have an advantage. I think it was just monaco!! Hell if mark webber can win there when he is unable to do anything worth while at any other track, then people should see monaco is a special place where backmarkers have often done very well there.


May 29, 2013 1:02 AM

Everybody cheats in F1, its not right, but it is a reality. However, above all DO NOT GET Caught. Merc and Pirelli got busted, and will be dealt with. Maybe the penalties will be similar as to when Mclaren had illegal data from Ferrari and all their points were removed , and a big fine. However Merc and Perilli could also tell the FIA to shove it. There are plenty of other racing series that cost far less, and can result in the same amount of merchandise volume for both companies. This may not just be about an illegal tire test, but could really be about who has the real power in F1. Maybe that's the ex attorney in me, but unions would violate laws to get better concessions all the time. This may be the same.

prof-x - Unregistered

May 29, 2013 2:20 AM

I just can't believe Merc would have thought nobody would have noticed an F1 car screaming around the Barcelona circuit just after a GP. I can't see anybody really believing that this is a 'secret' test. Also Merc could have been told other teams were offered, that because of the current safety conditions the current cars needed to be tested etc...

This is most likely RBR and Ferrari trying to push Mercedes down the order for constructors points.


May 29, 2013 3:57 AM

richard from what i have read it seems the fia did know the latest cars would be used but to me the problem is merc allowing the 2 drivers to test. I think there will be more info to come out yet. Does anyone know who drover the ferrari tested earlier in the year


May 29, 2013 7:35 AM

kiwi. the sporting regs say the testing cannot be "in season", so a 2013 car could be used "out of season". any other test in season, must use a 2 year old car. Ferrari used a 2 year old car and de la rosa was the driver.

pcx. your continual attempts to blame others, is wearing thin. Ferrari were actualy one of the ones who did not want a change in tyres! and rbr were not the only ones who are upset. NO team has come out in support of merc, and in fact at least 4 other teams have objected.
rbr and Ferrari are totally within their rights to be upset, as they were operating within the rules.


May 29, 2013 9:48 PM

Richard, does Pirelli have any agreement to use a current car to test in the case of safety concerns ? Are F1 cars set up for specific drivers ? Would delamination be a safety concern ? If these questions can be answered with a Yes then how can anyone except FIA be wholly at fault. At best it is a case of proportional culpability for all concerned.


May 30, 2013 7:48 AM

35. Pirelli were told that running current car "in season" was NOT permitted. (see this story!). yes, cars are set up for specific drivers, for instance, lulu uses different brakes to nico. yes, delamination is a safety concern, and I sid this from when the first delamination occurred. oddly enough, Pirelli denied that it was a safety concern!!!! if there was a vital need to reconstruct the tyres, then ALL teams had to agree. we know that force india vetoed the idea, but Pirelli went ahead anyway.
yes. the fia have responsibility....for not spotting what Pirelli/merc were doing, for not taking immediate and positive action, etc

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