F1 » Vettel: Nothing says I’ll stay forever

Sebastian Vettel says there is nothing to say he will stay with Red Bull forever - but also states that there is currently no reason why he'd want to leave

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roland - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 3:44 PM

I believe if Vettel would be anything but German he would be undoubtedly the best driver in formula 1 at the present time. Don't forget he was winning in a Torro Rosso and nobody has a been able to achieve this since. I would like to see Alonso in a Torro Rosso.

slayer - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:11 PM

@ truthman party agree with you regards Vettel in that the Newey machines have made him look better than he actually is and the likes of Lewis,Alonso or Kimi would give him more of a challenge than what he is getting from Webber. As it goes Lewis is the only driver to beat world champions in the same car out of the current world champions and is at the moment beating Nico so out of all of them i would say a focused Lewis may beat Vettel in a Red Bull car

But i do feel Vettel is a great his statts says so but yes most will say it has been down to him having the best cars for a while but you still have to get it past the post which he has done on numerous occasions and in a record breaking fashion.

Shakey - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:28 PM

Oh, god, this old chestnut again?

Without loving rose-tint or hating blinkers, it's a very simple concept. You cannot win a WDC without a great car, but you cannot win a WCC without a great driver.

Vettel's success has been a mix of technical excellence, his own ability and some luck. That is what championships are made of.

is Vettel a great driver? Yes he is, and I'm not a fan. is Vettel the best driver on the track at the minute? No, he's not. I'd put Alonso and Kimi ahead of Vettel in terms of pure ability, with Lewmis trading blows when he puts his mind to it and stops faffing with external distractions.

The majority of the time Vettel romps off by applying his ability to excellent machinery, so frequently in fact his detractors forget his moments of brilliance. We've seen him make some stunning overtakes, some excellent defending, but also some humanity in being pressured into mistakes (Button's Canada win in 2011) and the inability to drive when the car isn't at its best (fir

Shakey - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:30 PM

...but also some humanity in being pressured into mistakes (Button's Canada win in 2011) and the inability to drive when the car isn't at its best (first half of last year).

Vettel will need to win and be successful with another team, or at least in a car not designed by Newey, to properly cement his legacy.

But you simply cannot take away from the records he's achieved so far.

michael fornarina - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:34 PM

In 2007 I would say Ferrari F2007 was nearly the equal of Mac mp4/22 in 2008, Ferrari F2008 was the equal of Mac Mp4/23 the car Lewis won his title with.. in 2010 -- Redbull and Webber sliced up the season taking pole at nearly every race -- no need to even mention 2011 not another car touched Redbull in '11 -- in 2012 again, Redbull with most poles -- I wouldn't say ANY driver could have won 3 championships in Vettel's cars -- but I would say at least 4 more of them could - Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Rosberg -- and maybe even Jenson Button could have .. while I'm in the camp that says Webber has been held back and treated poorly by Redbull also Webbo is not the equal of the F1 champions I named including possible future-champ Nico Rosberg. Give any of them RB6,7 and 8 they would all have 3 more championships.

michael fornarina - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:39 PM

@Roland Vettel was not 'winning' in a Toro Rosso Vettel won A race in a Toro Rosso -- Pastor Maldonado also won A race in an under performing Williams if you wanted to see Alonso in 'a Toro Rosso' then look no further than his return to the mid-pack Renault in 2008-2009 - Alonso won two races .. albeit one was controversial -- there is this.. nonetheless the Renault was a pretty slow car those years in the hands of Piquet Jr - Grosjean - Kovalainen et al. But not in the hands of Fernando Alonso. I would like to see Vettel in an under performing car in modern times actually.

michael fornarina - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 6:47 PM

@Shakey - yes you need a great car to win a wdc -- been when a guy has a purely dominant car as Vettel has had -- it's a different ballgame why the championships of Button, Villenueve and now, Vettel keep coming up for review -- (through no fault of their own) they've had cars head and shoulders above the field in their wdc runs -- while Kimi - Alonso-Hamilton etc. have had to fight against other drivers with cars equal to.. or FASTER then the great cars that they've wielded in their WDC years. Those championships were a driver was fighting at least one other car/driver combo on par with his own.. are less wrought with questions marks.


June 04, 2013 7:25 PM

slayer. how on earth do you know that if vettel and lulu were in the same car, that lulu would beat him? that is an impossible call to make. however, when lulu is in the same car as button, and bearing in mind that button is not a great driver, how come that button was his equal or better? lulu throws away races all on his own.
now vettel can race in the same car as webber, who many say is Ferrari material, vettel shows him a clean pair of heels.

are you sure that you are not RGT? you sound a lot like lulus number 1 fanboy!

slayer - Unregistered

June 04, 2013 8:13 PM

Wow richard calm down. I said Lewis MAY beat Vettel not that Lewis would beat Vettel. And i have come to this conclusion as explained in my last post if you would try and digest what i am saying instead of letting the red mist rise every time someone says something about your beloved Vettel.

As i said Lewis has finished above Alonso and Jenson Button while they were current world champions in the same car and with one of them he finished above twice so it stands to reason that there is a high probability that he would do the same to Vettel, i could be wrong maybe if he went to Red Bull Vettel would wipe the floor with him im not sure so i can only base my opinions on Lewis's past performances against WDC in the same car.

As for Vettel he is smart and he will stay with a team that not only has a top car but a team who are good at pushing the boundaries in F1 and are champions on race strategies.

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