F1 » David Tremayne: Red Bull thrashes the opposition

Three time Guild of Motoring Writers Journalist of the Year Award winner David Tremayne casts his eye back over the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal

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June 11, 2013 8:40 PM

pcx. different discs have different characteristics, such as physical size, ventilation holes, operating temperature etc. so a car using brembo and then switching to ci, could be overheated or overcooled, affecting their efficiency.

and now you are implying that merc were getting payback with nico?


June 11, 2013 8:58 PM
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1st point, seeing as how Merc already had a system devised for the brembos Lewis would have been on the back foot so far as air circulation with in the wheel/brake system, because Nico's system would have already been well planed and proven.

2nd point, nico being a less interesting prospect due to how he allegedly screwed his team over is completely a reasonable possibility.

Or, just maybe, the new braking system is just that much better, and Nico better get off the brembos. At any rate, I don't believe for a second that adapting two braking systems would have favored Lewis in terms of planning and setup when hes using a new system.

Perhaps the CL brakes keep a better temperature down the long windy straights? Who knows, but if Lewis brakes are worth better braking control, its a boon for Merc that he pushed the issue.


June 11, 2013 9:23 PM

pcx. nico screwed over the team.....????? what the heck are you talking about ? you have lost it!

re the brakes, from the start merc said lulu would have problems with the brakes as he stamps on them and is inclined to abuse them. the change to ci may have been an attempt to try and control his over use of them? look how often he is locking his wheels and even had to be told to adjust his brake balance to avoid the locking. when he was with macca he also used ci whereas button used brembos.


June 12, 2013 3:58 AM

stamping, abusing, always locking up his wheels, etc... etc... etc... I dunno, I see Jenson and Nico locking up there wheels too, the only difference is Lewis has better control after the lock at allowing the wheel to start turning again.

I think Lewis is about to upset some people on crash again in the next few races if he manages 3-4 tenths with his new braking setup.


June 12, 2013 4:19 AM

PCX, it is a right of yours to believe/presume whatever you want that plus finding things hard to believe will not in the slightest way effect what I said, will repeat, different brakes (makes) will need different cooling requirements/configurations and that will in turn require a different approach to aero and car set up.
The manufacturers of braking systems and parts used in F1 are few, the rules regulates the diameter and thickness of brake discs, the number of pistons a brake calliper can have, a system can and usually uses different makes of callipers and discs/pads combination which help confuse the minds of people jumping head first into a technical subject.
Callipers used, FERRARI, Mercedes use Brembo, mclaren uses Acobano.
Brake discs and pads combinations that are used, Hitco, CI, Brembo.
Brembo supplied discs specific to the Canadian track having 1000 cooling holes.


June 12, 2013 4:28 AM

After the Canadian race and with Lulu having used CI discs and pads combination (the material he claims he is used too) he still says his brakes needs more sorting out and to that he added car grip and balance/set up to his list.
Up to Canada Mercedes were frantically experimenting with different master cylinder (piston/bore) diameters on Lulu's car to try get the braking feeling to his liking.


June 12, 2013 9:12 AM

Back to the topic, if both RBR cars finished one 1 - 2 I would say it was a trashing like in Malaysia but 1st and 4th hell no, Merc finished 1st and 4th in Monaco, no one called it a trashing.


June 13, 2013 7:27 AM

I think some credit has to go to Vettel, as a truly quick driver. But I also think that Webber is probably quite slow, having watched him pottering around, making botched passing efforts, missing apexes etc. I think there's little doubt that the Red Bull is once again the fastest car by a margin. I really don't know how they do it year after year. Even Ferrari, with all their money and Alonso, can't compete.

As for the person who said that Sutil didn't block Hamilton, time to get a prescription. The bloke got a penalty for it ffs!

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