F1 » No decision from Tribunal on Thursday

There will be no decision announced from the International Tribunal on Thursday, said officials, as Pirelli started its defence with a stark repudiation of the hearing's jurisdiction.

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Mark _

June 20, 2013 7:39 PM

@Elijah - there is so much wrong about this from Mercedes, Pirelli, and the FIA that singling out Mercedes for punishment seems unjust. Clearly Mercedes did not act alone so then Pirelli should be punished for facilitating the test and possibly misleading Mercedes that the other teams had been given the same opportunity. Charlie should be punished for appearing to condone the test. If the goal is to get Mercedes out of F1 then the FIA are doing a great job.


June 20, 2013 7:58 PM

Rob, “asking for the punishment to be the exclusion from the young drivers test, sounds fair” sounds fair my leg.
The minimum (absolute) should not be less than a three race ban equivalent to the 1000km test they did.
Isn't asking for a certain punishment an admittance of guild?.
PCX, “they didn't gain an advantage” what makes you so sure?.
“Pirelli pulled them in” but Pirelli said they didn't ask Mercedes to use a 2013 car.


June 20, 2013 8:14 PM

The young drivers remark was tongue in cheek. But its more than i think wil happen. There will be NO ban. I have watched F1 and the FIA for too long. They will not risk losing Merc from the grid.


June 20, 2013 8:35 PM

sunny. when cross examined, brawn actually admitted that merc DID gain an advantage. further, he said all the tech data was locked in a secure server in their OWN premises!!!!!! unbelievable really. it appears that Charlie did nOT give the ok, but made a general comment, yet brawn said that Charlie explicitly oked the test and that they were guided by him. I agree that merc suggesting punishments (totally meaningless) seems to be an admission of guilt and an effort to sway te tribunal. lets hope they are not so gullible. the fact that lauda and wolff would not attend to support brawn, also says a lot.
even if merc get away with a slap on the wrist, heads will roll anyway. brawn will be shown the door, whiting replaced by ascanelli (as already flagged). pirelli could lose their exclusive licence (hooray)


June 20, 2013 9:10 PM

Rob, I think you're right albeit I think it would be wrong!
As Sunny said a 3 race ban would be fair given the obvious advantage gained by Mercedes, But as I've said from the start of this sorry affair I think Merc will set Brawn up as the fall guy, say it's all his fault we're very sorry. The FiA will buy it (bottle it) and hand out a pointless suspended ban and a fine.
But if that were to happen then surely Ferrari and RBR would be pounding round Mugello and The A1 Ring next week, and nobody could blame them.


June 20, 2013 9:14 PM

"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn admitted it was 'inevitable' that his squad would have gained some knowledge from its Pirelli test, but insists such information would not have been a competitive advantage." (autosport)

I think rich loves putting words in to people's mouths.

"Thursday, Brawn said that there was no way his outfit could have benefited from the testing data."

If Ferrari can walk away from testing before Barcelona and then end up walking away with the race, the legitimacy of pushing the idea that Merc gained an advantage really isn't worth any merit. & it sets a very poor precedent.

Fine them for breaching the letter of the law, but challenge them for gaining an advantage and pretend Ferrari didnt do even more of an egregious act and you run the risk of looking pretty stupid.


June 20, 2013 9:22 PM
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"Brawn clarified that car telemetry at the test was kept active for safety reasons, but had subsequently been archived in a secure server at the team's Brackley headquarters to guarantee that it could not be used."

... because I love shooting down poor straw man arguments.

If telemetry was being routed to a secure room at their HQ, and not being observed in real time during the test, it would have given them no direction in which to setup their car during the test.

So the 'test' would not have involved examining telemetry to help setup a car for optimal settings, so the fact that they used their most recent car would mean even less, because they would have been going by their own observations/feelings/instincts, and someone's feelings are much more difficult to integrate so far as race pace is concerned.

Tack on the fact the tires were different, and it seems pretty moot to me. Because the data on their servers wont apply to future tire situations.


June 20, 2013 9:35 PM

If they don't make an example the president has been set for teams to do unlimited testing...it was testing however Merc & Pirelli care to dress it up with their lawyers.


June 20, 2013 9:39 PM

pcmax. you seem to be rather naive ! yes , brawn under cross examination, admitted that it was inevitable that they gained knowledge , despite originally denying it! and then says they didn't use it. and you believe that? how do you get lulu or nico to forget how a different tyre feels? probably the reason why these two were used in the first place. you cannot UNLEARN info.

then you go on to reiterate what I said, that the info was sent to a secure server in their OWN premises. why didn't they send it elsewhere? and being in their own premises, do you really believe that they cannot access the server? get real!

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