F1 » Mercedes 'gained advantage' from Pirelli test


The FIA's International Tribunal rules that Mercedes did gain an advantage from its tyre test with Pirelli

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richard

June 21, 2013 8:46 PM

mark. on the sky show, who is on the panel.....MAX. but to be honest, he is pointing out that the rules were broken but is saying that any requested breach of rules must be agreed with ALL teams, exactly what Bernard had said.

Jamal22

June 21, 2013 8:47 PM

Richard we don't have to take your word as Gospel, its not Mercedes that use the current car, its Pirelli that demanded the car they wanted for the test

Ferrari engaged in two equally secret tests the secrecy is a non issue.

The main point from my view and the point that everyone seems to have completely disregarded is that it was a pirelli test even the fia now admit it was a pirelli test. Mercedes didn't decide the running agenda that day. However at the ferrari test before the spanish gp apparently they *did* have a say, they changed the balance if what Mercedes said in the tribunal is true, which you have to assume it was. They went on to win the Spanish gp the next week. In which case they are genuinely and severely in breach of the rules where as i don't think Mercedes are at all. So even a reprimand and banning from the young drivers test is to harsh a punishment i think. Mercedes punishment should be at the very very least given to Ferrari as well it's the only true way to le

richard

June 21, 2013 9:29 PM

jamal. don't take my word if you don't want to, but merc said that they did not have a 2011 car available. at the time they said this, I even questioned how this could be. merc told Pirelli that their only 2011 car was elsewhere on pr work! (saying they did not have a 2011 car shows that they were fully aware that one was required under the rules)
yes, merc were emphasising it was a Pirelli test, but the tribunal found that Pirelli were bound by their contract with fia, that the sporting codes would be adhered to. and they were found to have breached that contract. the excuses by both merc and Pirelli changed as the tribunal went on, with the "safety "issue then being thrown in.

I see that you are still making out that the tribunal was all wrong, merc and Pirelli were found GUILTY! and even merc agree.

35edme

June 21, 2013 9:53 PM

@Richard, three parties were before the tribunal,three were found equally responsible for the fiasco and unless Pirelli or the FIA appeals this verdict there will be three convicted entities including the rules makers. Three equals two, Pirelli and Mercedes, plus the FIA. Please quote the tribunal completely. Put another way Pirelli 33 1/3 percent, Mercedes 33 1/3 percent, something is missing wouldn't you say. Also the tribunal weren't sure that the Ferrari tests, which no one had known about as well,were legal but they were not among the subjects of the trial.

pcxmac

June 21, 2013 11:15 PM
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I dont believe accepting a *verdict and accepting guilt are the same things rich. Merc just dont want to push it any more because it would be a net loss, and considering it was just a reprimand, there really isn't an incentive to push one's luck.

rob01

June 22, 2013 2:00 AM

your correct pcxmac... they knew they planned the event perfectly. With help from FIA.. There is no need to push anything because the result was already known. Hopefully the others see the light soon.

kiwibob

June 22, 2013 3:27 AM

Richard where does it say they were guilty of using a 2013 car what i have read is they were found guilty of gaining an unfair advantage fullstop . I think this is a Fia cockup and that is why they are also paying a third of the costs it was there paid employees that gave permission

kiwibob

June 22, 2013 4:24 AM

Mercedes had 'no reason to believe that approval had not been given' by the FIA for it to run its 2013 car in the Pirelli tyre test, according to the International Tribunal. this says it was all Fia problem

richard

June 22, 2013 7:39 AM

35. I did say that fia (or more correctly, Charlie) were also responsible!

kiwi. did you follow the tribunal? they were found guilty of breaching the sporting codes which includes the rule of not testing with a current car. using a 2013 car was one of the main issues of this case.
and are you saying that "Mercedes had no reason not to believe that fia approval had not been given.."? brawn has been in the game, and in the firing line long enough to know that Charlie can only give his OPINION, something that was clearly stated in charlies email. isn't it funny how teams that have been in the business for a much shorter time, knew that, but brawn didn't?

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