F1 » Mercedes 'gained advantage' from Pirelli test


The FIA's International Tribunal rules that Mercedes did gain an advantage from its tyre test with Pirelli

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Bobkp

June 22, 2013 8:24 AM

Right, so McLaren 'borrow' some design information from 1 competitor and get a £100m fine and exclusion from the championship.

Mercedes break the rules and get an unfair advantage over ALL competitors and get away with a slap on the wrist.

Seems fair.

What a joke!

Realf1fan

June 22, 2013 1:38 PM

Mercs were found guilty by the tribunal for for breaking the regs under article 22.1 and 151. However the tribunal deemed there was mitigating circumstances regards article 22.1 that the running of the 2013 car was illegal but mercedes got the green light from Whiting and their legal adviser Seb Bernard who are part of the FIA to to run the current WO4 with the two drivers LH and NR and even more important is there is no stipulation in what car can be run in the contract between Pirelli and the FIA so any car can be run under a Pirelli test. Ross Brawn just exposed the loophole in the FIA regs which they will now look to close.

richard

June 22, 2013 1:53 PM

realfan. first of all, merc did not get the green light from Charlie, and that is the main problem! merc got the QUALIFIED OPINION from Charlie, but the issue was never brought to the fia. Charlie did not have the right to approve ANY breach of rules. merc (mistakenly or otherwise) took the OPINION as the go ahead, despite not even adhering to the qualifications stated.

as far as Pirelli goes, it is in the contract with fia, that Pirelli are required to abide by the sporting regs and rules (and that includes not running a 2013 car). they didn't, and that is why they were also found guilty!

the decisions and rulings are quite clear, and I cannot understand why the confusion.

Charlie is NOT the rule maker, and had no authority to make a decision (which he didn't anyway). that is why fia were also found to be partly responsible.

ghog

June 22, 2013 6:39 PM

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My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No Thanks, they have got a dodgy image!

kiwibob

June 22, 2013 11:36 PM

Lol ghog
But it does show that ross brawn still got it and so have ferrari by there two sneaky tests as well . Loop hole will be closed very quickly annd then they will all be looking for the next loop hole . Bet pirrelli new contract will be a lot tighter . Richard if whiting can not decide anything on his own fia related when he waves green flag is that only an opinion and its up to which team believes him lol

F1Rules

June 23, 2013 12:46 PM

I'm a bit confused by this discussion.

In the future, should Charlie Whiting's opinion be taken seriously by any team? Before, during, after races, whatever. Does he represent the FIA or not??

And what about an FIA lawyer? Does he normally pronounce the official FIA position, or just an opinion?

richard

June 23, 2013 1:39 PM

f1 rules. the simple answer is that nobody knows!
take when lulu did his infamous pass on kimi. the stewards had the authority to penalise or not to penalise (they were the race arbiters). they went to Charlie for his OPINION, and he said that in his OPINION lulu had to be penalised. the stewards went by his opinion. but that is not to say it was right or wrong. the penalty could be appealed to the fia and they could well have upheld the appeal.
in other words, Charlie is purely the race director and is as fallible as any other individual. he does not make the rules nor does he have the power to enforce them unless it is designated in his brief as RACE DIRECTOR.

in future (and in this case) any team can NOTE his opinion, but a final decision can only be made by the FIA committee/board,... or, in a race situation, by the race stewards but subject to appeal.

richard

June 23, 2013 1:45 PM

contd. to be honest , Charlie does in fact say in any correspondence, that it is his OPINION. anyone can have an opinion and another steward or fia rep could well have had a different opinion, so who would merc go by? merc were remiss in not getting full approval, and instead proceeded on the basis of one persons opinion. brawn should have known better, knowing his various brushes with the fia. or maybe he did and was trying to use it to his advantage?
Pirelli have been criticised strongly, but even though they bore a proportion of blame, they expected brawn to sort out the permission.

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