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Renault reveals the new engine it will provide to F1 teams for the 2014 season

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Ptolemy

June 23, 2013 6:06 AM

107SS,
Great commentary. Thanks for the info.
But everyone needs to look into turbo-compounding. It IS the GEARING of a turbine to the CRANKSHAFT. It would be interesting if they will let them put power back into the crank via this "MGU-H" through a physical connection via gears/clutches/hydraulics. This MGU-H could act as an engine of own.
I can see the potential for some seriously beneficial development with this MGU-H in terms of its relationship to road vehicles.
Does anyone know what will be allowed and not allowed?
Will it generate electricity only? Will it be allowed to put power back into the crankshaft directly? Will it do double duty act as an electric generator AND motor and help spool the turbo too?
Maybe I need to read back over your response a little more carefully 107SS and you've already answered these questions.
Just wanting a verification.

Ptolemy

June 23, 2013 6:14 AM

Knowing what I know about turbocharging, I would say the reason the manifolds look like that is because they are shielded by some sort of insulating material. This would be to keep the heat inside the exhaust flow in order for the MGU-H to be provided with the maximum heat energy to work with.
Also glowing header tubing and close fitting modern aero bodywork don't mix. So it would protect them from melting. Also it would protect all the other systems from the heat.
That heat is needed to do work in this "MGU-H"
I'm starting to see the light.
They're going to sound like sh!t, but will be a technical marvel, and one that is useful to modern road technology. No wonder Honda wants back into the sport. We could see the trickle down in the Civic in a few years!

107SS2009

June 23, 2013 7:41 AM

Ptolemy, yes you certainly need go back read my post.
I have been around turbo charging for a very long time but never came upon a turbo geared to the crankshaft turbo compounding or not, turbo compounding is not permitted.
The MGU-H (heat) which is driving or being driven by the turbo shaft can act as a motor to spool up the turbo shaft as well as act as a generator to either charge the batteries or deliver a charge to the MGU-K (kinetic) which is geared to the engine crankshaft.

107SS2009

June 23, 2013 9:35 AM

Ptolemy, for some illustrations, descriptions, diagrams, and photos visit the following sites.
AUSmotive com Renault show off its 2014 f1 power unite.
Somersf1 2014's power units 1.6 v6 turbo's with ers kers and ters.
Scrabf1 mercedes amg kers development.
2014 engines scrabsf1 com.
p.u.r.e 2014 f1 engine scrabsf1 com.

MaddMe

June 23, 2013 5:14 PM

Isn't the size and shape of the manifold to improve the engine noise?
I have to admit, it does sound far better than I was expecting (Sounding more like "Angry Bees Stinging a Donkey" not as expected a "Strangled Cat with a red hot poker up its wotsits!") with no apparent Turbo Whine...

I do wonder how they have manage to get the torque levels to surpass the current V8's...

107SS2009

June 23, 2013 5:56 PM

People that follow F1 should not let themselves be fed BS such as this (impressive torque output) from the new 1.6 l v6 as what counts in F1 RACING is the power output of the engine.
Engine power output plus ERS included these cars will be slower over a lap and so they will also be easier to drive.
When it comes to this sort of racing it is power output that really counts.

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