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107SS2009

June 21, 2013 8:05 PM

Yes the ruling was correct (conditioned by the actions of Charlie Whiting) as was the functioning of the new IT.
The functioning of the new IT is as different as night from day from the previous tribunal/s with the past interference/s from those with an axe to grind.

bozgp

June 21, 2013 10:27 PM
Last Edited 454 days ago

It's not that sensationalized, they didn't make it public. Obviously no one expected it to remain a secret, but Mercedes didn't want anyone to know before the test, otherwise it would not have taken place.

The punishment was asinine. Although Merc would have gotten data from young drivers test, it was really fu***d up for them to pay for this. It's like throwing your mother in jail for a crime you committed. Shame on you !

CaptainB

June 22, 2013 10:42 AM

What a mess, Charley Whiting from his emails seems to be attempting to give advice on an area he knows he cant provide permission on, Mercedes fail to take his advice, and yet use that advice as evidence that they were in the right.

They are not stupid people, Ross Brawn is a master tactician, on receiving that email they would of done exactly what an F1 team attempt to do with all aspects of formula 1 - launched a plot straight away to maximise their advantage by using technically plausible interpretations.

- They know the rules, they know that the FIA don't harshly punish those that can prove no intention to break rules.

- On seeing that email, it would of been an instant realisation that they could use the past Pirelli test invites as a technically plausible way to test with the current car

- They used current drivers to be able to know what tire (current or next year) was being used, giving them a perfect baseline comparison with driving style taken into account, and with kno

CaptainB

June 22, 2013 10:44 AM

- They used current drivers to be able to know what tire (current or next year) was being used, giving them a perfect baseline comparison with driving style taken into account, and with known track conditions having only just run a GP there and with no other running in-between.

- Of course they can say that how could they expect it to be private, no test would ever be private in F1, you just can't sneak an unaccounted tire out after a GP, Pirelli has to provide them. Indeed, to Ross Brawn this was a golden opportunity that might never come around again. The reason why there was never a follow-up with Charley whiting, was because that may have created correspondence that shut this window.

Sure they would be proven to break the rules, but here was a chance to minimise the drag - a way only receive a drive by when you just lapped the opposition.

When you put together such an orchestrated media response, perform all of the above steps, and get away with it - you have to wonder how m

CaptainB

June 22, 2013 10:45 AM

When you put together such an orchestrated media response, perform all of the above steps, and get away with it - you have to wonder how much of a bumbling and ineffectual body the FIA is against manufactures - too much money in too many pockets.

There is no doubt, that any reasonable person could ever consider the attempt by Mercedes as anything but intentionally deceptive - how hard is it to know that the past Pirelli test invite is not in the same ballpark as the a conversation about testing the current 2013 car would require all team members invited.

Mercedes is a powerful, how much power they might wield over F1 is beginning to become terrifyingly clear.

Fingers?
Charley Whiting and Ross Brawn... If i was a betting man, I'd say that Charley is the man that should have the most heat applied to dig up answers. Be interesting to see what other contact those had just prior to the emails. Maybe Ross knew something about Ferrari too, and that Charley was involved there... Perhaps

35edme

June 23, 2013 6:07 PM

There is an exception written into the rules so you would have to first look at the exception to see if it can reasonably be invoked. If the answer is no then you can go to the rule and apply it as set. If however the answer is yes then you have to see how closely it follows the guidelines and base any penalty on that. The exception takes precedence which is why it is there. To be focused on Mercedes or Pirelli instead of the exception is pointless, focus on the exception then the rule and try to reconciliate them. Then apply the finding to whomever.

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