F1 » Webber: Staying in F1 wasn’t a consideration

Mark Webber says staying in F1 for 2014 wasn't something he considered after announcing his move to sportscars with Porsche

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June 27, 2013 2:26 PM

The 2014 F1 cars will still be more powerful than this years F1 motors with the extra kers and the other thing which I can't remember :-) The Renault video that I watched and listened to sounded really sweet. I think it's more the Vettel thing that may have changed his mind.


June 27, 2013 4:02 PM

@Buzz45, lolz, you are so wrong it's not even funny.

30% less fuel, more weight, less weight loss during the race, only about ~8% of the energy per lap will come from the new 4MJ KERS (before the electric motor).

When a kg of petrol is about 46 MJ before the motor
and a race of KERS would yield close to say 200-240 MJ, KERS is only amounting to 5-6 KG with respect to petrol... Multiply that by the reciprocal of the engine efficiency which might be as low as 33%, and its pretty insignificant when you are carrying on the order of 100+ KG of petrol, and having to add so much more weight, and benefit so much less due to lack of weight loss during the race (last lap vs first lap differential)


June 27, 2013 4:24 PM

Mark Webber will be sorely missed. Great speed, superb racecraft, in fact one of about six drivers who know how to battle wheel to wheel at 200mph. Vettel is not one of those six... yet. Guess people on here, by the uninformed opinionated drivel usually put forth, prefer the stupid antics of Perez and such. You will never see Perez or the other pretenders make a proper move on Alonso through eau rouge or the like, as Webber has done. Barging people into a penalty situation is not overtaking. Shame he couldn't swap and go to Lotus!!!


June 27, 2013 4:25 PM

Through personal finance connections he jumped the queue ahead of far more talented but underfunded drivers in karting and Formula Ford in Australia to sneak into F1 despite no results whatsoever in anything ever prior to F1 -- then he took 9 years and 130 GP to win a race - the longest of ALL 105 winning drivers in history - in fact longer than the entire career lengths of 760 of the 800 F1 drivers ever - and even then only by being given the best car - which he has now had for a massive 4 years - 60 GP - arguably more opportunity than any driver in history bar Schumacher's Ferraris (and Vettel with the same RBRs) - yet he squandered such unparalleled privilege - rising only to 33rd on the list of total wins - winning only 9 races in over 200 GP - a strike rate of just 4.5% - a dismal 5 to 10 times lower than the greats: Fangio (47%), Clark (35%), Schumacher (29%), Stewart (27%), Prost (25%), Senna (25%).


June 27, 2013 4:43 PM


As usual you seem to gave a film grasp of understanding .

Next seasons changes to the spec of the car are not conducive to wonderful, powerful, raw engines.

The pinnacle of technology yes.... the pinnacle of racing... I think not...

Every season seems to loose something, sacrificing that special element of ability, and sheer skill driving at being talented enough to drive F1 car for technology....

The spectacle that is F1 is fading into history....


June 27, 2013 5:00 PM


The text below refers to an extract from
Grand Prix 247

"The maximum power of the new Power Unit will exceed the output of current V8 F1 engines however fuel efficiency will be radically improved. With only 100kg permitted for the race, the new units will use 35% less fuel than their predecessors."

I'm afraid I didn't understand your post as it was too tecnical for me. The fact that the new engines will use less fuel doesn't necessarily mean they will be less powerful, however it does seem that the basic power before kers etc is employed may only be 600 hbp as opposed to 760 (?) from current engines. The lap times will tell us the true story as will the drivers comments on the amount of grunt delivered.


June 27, 2013 5:21 PM

"The maximum power of the new Power Unit will exceed the output of current V8 F1 engines however fuel efficiency will be radically improved. "

I probably know more about turbo's and air/fuel ratios than you so I understand how a Turbocharged motor can have more power per unit capacity.

To pretend that the V8's are not fuel efficient is ignorant at best.

Next year's cars will only get more mileage if they are producing less power, and then tack on the extra heat of the turbo having to lower the compression ratio and produce less torque per concentration of fuel ...

To add more weight to the car, you will only add to the cost of fuel per unit time. This is not efficiency, its selling austerity, but making it seem cool.


June 27, 2013 5:34 PM

The estimated 600 hp output (as per the FIA intentions) of the 1.6l turbo v6 will be the max engine output and of course that will be at maximum revs.
The estimated (again as per the FIA) additional electrical power output (harnessed through brakes “Kinetic” and exhaust “heat”) added to the crankshaft will be for approx 33 seconds per lap.
Because of the fuel flow rate of (100kg/hr) and also because of the fuel load limit of (100 kg) for a race distance (remember that a race is more than one hour long) maximum revs and therefore maximum power output from the engine will be avoided, in fact the latest information I have says teams will redline their engines at 12k rpm.
The 2014 cars will be much slower than the current cars and according to the vast majority of fans that visited you tube for the Renault lunch the sound is like that of a vacuum cleaner.

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