MotoGP » Dovizioso, Hayden try frame and engine developments


“It's a new part, so we have to understand whether or not we can have it in time for the Sachsenring” - Andrea Dovizioso.

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DrWho

July 04, 2013 10:12 PM

It's just sad to know that Hayden's low 1:34 was probably for one lap whilst Lorenzo was a bit more consistent on more laps.
To be honest the Ducati team should add some question marks on the fairings. It are just small things that change small things, there are bigger changes needed. When Stoner left they were adjusting small things, when Rossi was there they changed small things except the swingarm which was pretty big. Longer wheelbase? It's the shortest MotoGP bike, Engine placing would give a better balance.
It's taking more than 3 years now and they still haven't that POS sorted out. And the plans for equipping interested teams with a Ducati the thing is unrideable....And stop saying only Stoner could ride it, even Stoner would struggle with this bike.

9th

July 05, 2013 3:36 AM

@V4Poweeeer
only stoner could ride the Ducati?
before you know motogp, there was a man named capirossi which is 100 times better in ride and developing the bike.
and I think it's time for you to go back fishing.

pcxmac

July 05, 2013 4:59 AM
Last Edited 477 days ago

It's not the trellis frame, but don't let that keep you from repeating what you are told, the motor is in relatively the same place it was on the trellis, and has moved very little since. The tires are not made for the Duc and only Honda's spending has got their bike closer to where Yamaha were, now that Honda have the anointed one, all Ducati need to do is get better traction control and copy the Honda's weigh distribution.

Traction Control and the Control Tire determine who wins in MotoGP. It's like that to keep stupid people interested in the sport so that the drama can be hammered in, instead of honest racing.

& Casey Stoner had no chance of winning a championship after the control tire came in to play. & 2012 was further proof that Casey was never meant to take the glamor away from the idol worship.

As long as Lorenzo believes in the con he has half a chance, Dani looks ready to retire.

V4Poweeeer

July 05, 2013 5:34 AM

@9th
Why even bring Caparossi into this were not talking about Stoners first championship here Caparossi wasnt with Ducati for a few years when Stoner left anyway. My point was that Stoner was still winning even in his last season at Ducati nothing to do with Caparossi at that point in time go ahead spit off all Caparossis stats and development skills doesnt make much difference to the point I made anyway.
All I said was that tye inception of the aliminum twin spar frame when rossi was there was a big change in direction for Ducati.
But I think Stoner none the less is still the best 800cc rider and that aint gonna change, no matter how good or bad Caparossi is nor is it gonna change how great Caparossis acheivements are.

LLarry

July 05, 2013 10:19 AM

There are merits to the trellis frame, simply because that type of frame technology is what Ducati knows best.
The trellis-framed GP6 was highly competitive under Capirossi who could well have won the championship that year if he hadn't suffered that massive crash at Barcelona. The GP7 was also a trellis frame although the real reason it was so dominant was the use of electronics to run the motor on ultra-lean burn to maximise fuel usage and give them a major horsepower advantage.
The problems really started when they went to the carbon-fibre monocoque frame on the GP09 & 10 which was simply too stiff. Instead of going back to the trellis, they went (at Rossi's instigation) to an aluminium frame, Nothing wrong with that, but they are playing into the hands of the Japanese who have 20+ years of experience in racing aluminium frames whereas Ducati has none. Having opted for that type of frame, they are now trying to play catch-up and going through an extremely steep learning curve.

DrWho

July 05, 2013 11:35 AM

Instead of Suzuki hanging it out in 2014 and coming back in 2015, maybe Ducati should quit MotoGP put money in developing the Desmosedici do some wildcard appearances to see where they are and come back a year later. Although Hayden is good for selling bikes I guess you will sell more bikes when riders aren't struggling and the bike can win. This does count for WSBK too to be honest. See a team struggle this much and struggle every weekend isn't good for the motivation of the riders the only thing that can be positive about dropping some extra bikes in is too see if the "CRT" tires which are a lot softer will suit the Ducati more. But when a rider can't trust the front ( not only the tires ) he don't push. When they can't drive fast out of a corner without struggling he won't push and unless Ducati will join dragracing without any corners I can't see them being competitive. Even the influence of Audi isn't making big influences at the moment.

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