F1 » Raikkonen admits ‘seconds and thirds’ not enough


Kimi Raikkonen says that he needs to start winning again if he is to stop Sebastian Vettel claiming another F1 title.

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Firestorm

July 29, 2013 12:19 PM

Yes he's right! He cannot win titles with 2nd place finishes. He tried it ten years ago and came short to two points behind Schumacher. But he should try to outscore Vettel again in the next few races, and with Alonso and Hamilton in the mix as well..who knows. Vettel is winning not just because he has won more races but because he is the most consistent. He finished all the races in the top four. Just look at Rosberg. He won 2 races as Alonso and more than Kimi and Lewis, but his inconsistency has put him in a distant sixth in the standings.

FW14

July 29, 2013 1:25 PM

@ firestorm

Bit unfair on Rosberg you must know that he is driving a car that is inconsistent compared to the top four, Vettel is where he is because his car performs in all types of conditions and criteria's something you cant say about the Mercs.

Jones76

July 29, 2013 2:13 PM
Last Edited 417 days ago

Runnah, what faster car are you talking about? The fastest driver at nurb in the race was Grosjean, and with a better strategy it should have been a Lotus 1-2. Grosjean was also fast at the beginning of this race although he couldn't find a way past Vettel.
Grosjean has proven the Lotus is a capable car in qualifying (3rd on the grid) and in the past 2 races has been faster than Vettel as well as Kimi. There is nothing wrong with the Lotus right now, Kimi needs to pull his finger out in qualifying but that is unlikely to happen seeing that raw speed has never been something you associate with Kimi, he is about consistency.

I really hope that Raikonnen goes to Red Bull next season. Right now it is clear that the car with the best race pace is Lotus, and it would be an eye opener for many people when Raikonnen performs worse than he has at Lotus for Red Bull-although no doubt people will bring up the same excuses they do with Webber-No.2 driver so his car isnt as good, sabotage, etc

Jones76

July 29, 2013 2:17 PM

and as a result it wont affect his reputation, it will just be people saying "poor kimi being mistreated by Red Bull"

If I was Kimi, I would stay at Lotus and hope that Grosjean doesn't sort out his aggresion in races or he will start to take points off kimi on a regular basis.

safeeuropeanhome

July 29, 2013 2:38 PM
Last Edited 417 days ago

Jones76 - Kimi has never been about raw speed? Do you not remember 2005? He was absolutely lightning at every track in 2005, and was probably overall the quickest in 07. Since his comeback yes he has lost something in qualifying, which is why I think he would struggle to beat Vettel as he is inconsistent on Saturdays. But in his younger days he was rapid. Not that he's slow now though.

Jones76

July 29, 2013 3:53 PM
Last Edited 417 days ago

Raikonnen had 5 poles in comparison to Montoya's 2 in 2005, although we should bear in mind that Montoya missed a few races and participated in some weekends at far from 100%. 2006 Raikonnen got 3 poles whilst his teammate Fisichella got 0, which is respectable although we all know Fisichella was never a top tier driver.
In 2007, the championship winning year, Massa Got 6 poles compared to Raikonnen's 3. In 2008 Massa got 6 poles compared to Raikonnen's 2.

Obviously f1 is about what happens on a Sunday not a Saturday and that is why Raikonnen won the title in 2007 and is 2nd in the championship this year, he ups his game on a Sunday. But bearing in mind that at Raikonnen's best he was out-qualified by Massa and right now Grosjean seems to not only have the measure of Raikonnen on a Saturday but Sunday as well in terms of raw speed it is very hard to see him getting anywhere near Vettel if he goes to Red Bull.

mrfill

July 29, 2013 5:27 PM

The fastest car/driver in ANY race is the one that completes the proscribed distance in the shortest time and until someone changes the equation Speed = Distance/Time, this will remain true. This is why the 1st prize is given to the first one to pass the chequered flag.

Can someone now explain 'cooked speed', which is , obviously, the opposite of raw speed? How long does it need to be cooked?

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