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Charles Pic is looking to bounce back from his Belgian DNF with a strong showing at Monza.

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Firestorm

September 01, 2013 3:29 PM

As much as I value the role of small teams on F1, Caterham and Marussia has nothing to do with this sport, as was HRT as well. I mean they are in the their year in F1 and none of them managed a top ten finish. Teams like Minardi, Prost or Arrows even when they were strugling, they did managed at least a top ten finish despite not taking any point. The problem is that the top teams and the midfield ones have a good level of reliability now and the current backmarkers can't take any points. Its a pitty, especially considering that teams like Williams had score only one point until now.

richard

September 01, 2013 5:00 PM

firestorm. everybody has to star somewhere. Williams started with one private car, and look how they turned out. and then again, bruce mclaren also started at the back. even enzo was just a team manager who bought and ran other cars.

some teams like hrt, join as they believe that they have a sellable product. caterham is probably the most genuine, but their lack of progress worries me. they have a championship winning engine and power train, but are going nowhere. it is now appearing to be a bit of a lost cause, and Fernandez financial position probably means they will go nowhere. marussia do have some ambition, but will get nowhere with useless pay drivers. a really genuine team will have at least one good driver, and bianchi is the only one in these two teams, who shows promise.

Firestorm

September 01, 2013 6:29 PM

Richard I mean that Caterham and Marussia should have got a top ten result in their fourth campaign. Look at some teams like Super Aguri. They were able to take points at their second campaign. And don't talk about Force India...but they were in different conditions to the backmarkers of 2010-2013. F1 needs teams which enters the sport seriously like BAR or Toyota did in 1999 and 2002 respectively. They didn't achieved much in their first campaigns but were nearly regular point scorers at their seconds. And they estabilished well at the midfield and even took many podiums like BAR in 2004 or Toyota in 2005 and 2009.

richard

September 01, 2013 6:48 PM

firestorm. I am not disagreeing with you. I agree that marussia and caterham both should have picked pp the challenge. marussia seems on the point of doing that, with the dropping of the underpowered cossie. and they will have the backing of Ferrari, with engines, power train and driver next year. the total disappointment is caterham, who seem to be driven purely by commercial interests by someone who does not seem to have any true f1 ambitions. the fact that they have dropped to marussia level, does not bode well, and there are constant rumours that Fernandez has no money to invest. I feel that the team may shortly have a "for sale" sign outside its doors.
isn't it a pity that Bernie turned down proper constructors such as lola and prodrive?

Firestorm

September 01, 2013 7:30 PM

It was Ecclestone who choosed the trio of teams running for 2010? I I didn't recall it. I thought it was the FIA. What you can except from a man who looks to be interested only about the commercial side of the sport? Then even the Stefan GP looked more a serious option than Lotus, Virgin and HRT. At least they choosed to buy the Toyota TF110 chassis and like Lotus they signed two experienced drivers in Villeneuve and Nakajima despite that Villeneuve was not running sinve midseason 2006. Anyway I am disappointed by Caterham and Marussia. I know that F1 have backmarkers as it have top teams. But the same team(s) being always the backmarker(s) is nearly as boring of one team winning the titles every year and dominating the field.

richard

September 01, 2013 7:51 PM

firestorm. methinks you are a little mistaken over Stefan gp. that was a total scam from the start. they never bought the Toyota chassis, Pirelli did. they bought a Toyota container with some tools in it. naka and jv did not sign to drive for them, but Stefan was going on about approaching them. then Stefan claimed he was building an f1 track, in his industrial estate.....and so on. at least marussia designed (sorry, their computer did) an f1 car, but even got the tank size a-ways. Fernandez tried to add value to his team by trying to by name to give it credence, which failed miserably. he doesn't pay his pilots and staff, but is happy to take bernies appearance money. but I doubt that there is now any serious f1 devotee who would consider entering f1, even to the extend of buying an entry. nobody wanted hrt entry.

JJJ

September 01, 2013 9:33 PM

Fernandez made a big mistake when he started the team to bring in some guys who had a name but not (or in case of Trulli no longer) the skill to deserve that good name. As a result he had to pay these guys but the results weren't any better, or in fact probably worse, than when he had gone with some young talents and an upcoming designer right away.

Gascoyne was probably the worst mistake of all after several failures at other teams, but also trying to give the team credence by putting has been Trulli and never really was Kovalainen in the car and paying them a nice sum was a mistake. He should have gone with one or even two GP2 talents right off the bat and put the money in the design of the car. Instead he went with the QPR approach: overpaid unmotivated washed up big names with no more performance left in them.

Firestorm

September 01, 2013 11:19 PM

I think that you are right Richard. Now is difficult to find a new team which is a F1 devotee. I think that the last entry were BMW Sauber, maybe Honda as well but they lost credibility as they left as soon they realised that business was not going well for them. Maybe Force India too is commited enough to F1, I'm not sure. But the most serious entry in recent years was Red Bull. Some people said they entered F1 only for marketing reasons and honestly I believed the same. But in 2006 when they bought Toro Rosso as a junior team for young drivers development and especially after they took Adrian Newey from McLaren, I thought: Wow this guys really want to win. So hat off to Red Bull racing.

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