F1 » Vettel: Italian GP difficult to predict

Sebastian Vettel will be out to extend his championship lead at Monza, the final European race of the season

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September 02, 2013 9:47 AM

My predictions: Red Bull 1-2 if Webber can get off his grid spot, Rosberg/Alonso 3rd/4th, Hamilton/Raikkonen 5th/6th, Massa 7th, Button 8th, Ricciardo 9th, grosjean 10th.


September 02, 2013 10:15 AM

I've been thinking that since Red Bull ran the shallow wing at Spa and made the car stick in the corners, then why cant they run a very shallow wing at Monza and make it stick? Isn't that the secret to winning at Monza? The car that has the least drag that will still hold the road has the advantage there right?
Seems like to me Vettel will run off into the distance again.

But I don't dare pretend to even act like I really understand what makes an F1 car perform well. Ive had theories in the past that didn't come to fruition. Lets leave the deep thinking up to Newey.


September 02, 2013 10:33 AM

A top 4 finish wouldn't be the end of the world, especially with some tracks that suit red bull coming up afterwards. Looks pretty ominous for the championship though, the rest really need a DNF for Vettel to have a chance.


September 02, 2013 1:22 PM

Ptolemy, you seem to understand what makes an f1 car perform (go fast) very well, a lot more than what you admit. As in Canada (another low-down-force track) no one had any response to the RB9 of SV at SPA, at SPA on Friday RBR ran their cars virtually with no rear wings at all and the drivers were happy, the real secret is nobody on the grid can seal their diffuser by exhaust gasses as well as they can, so they can do away with most of the rear wing and it's drag producing down-force, the load produced by a F1 car down-force can be upper of one ton at aped, RBR gets most of their down-force from their car's floor, this goes to show that at any given speed the power to weight ratio plays the most important part not for top speed per se but as regards acceleration, the same goes for KERS, it adds an additional amount of HP to the crankshaft but the engine is still running at 18k rpm.


September 02, 2013 1:45 PM

Ah, so that's the secret, huh? Adrian has trained the exhaust flow 10 times better than the other guys again? Even with the new restrictions. What on earth has he done that has enabled him to create a vacuum under the back of the car that is so good that he can take the wing out of the car and still hold the road as well as the others? I mean is there a certain part of the car where all the action is taking place? Do you have a link that shows how Newey is doing this?
Looks like Newey has turned the corner and will now destroy the others like always. Even with the rule makers making specific rules aimed at HIS designs.
The man truly IS a genius!


September 02, 2013 1:57 PM

sunny. interesting is the fact that in fp, rbr ran with a tiny, almost flat rear wing, which was said to be nearly 6 tenths faster, but in quali and the race, they ran a wing with a little more downforce. so their top speed was still faster than others, with a slightly more normal wing.

Ptolemy. rbr has been able to produce more pressure over the diffuser, by poaching air from the side pods. this results in lower pressure under the diffuser,pulling car down on to road. interesting is the fact that brundle etc said that vettel was on full throttle out of a corner, at least 60 yards before anyone else, (including webber in the same car) and the car just took off like a rocket on rails.

yes, newey IS a genius, but vettel can also get a lot out of the car. he is in harmony with it.


September 02, 2013 2:12 PM

No worries Seb. The race is yours for the taking. Even if Gerhard Berger once said if a driver went off on one of the fast corners there, they would get killed (sadly like Senna did at Imola). However that was then, this is now.


September 02, 2013 3:43 PM

For the sake of the season I hope that Vettel doesn't win at Monza and at Marina Bay as well. Victories for Alonso in Italy and for Hamilton in Singapore would made the season a bit more interesting. Just before Vettel resume normal service starting from Suzuka.

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