F1 » Webber joins attack on Pirelli


A furious Mark Webber has added to recent criticism of F1's Pirelli tyres following his retirement from the Korean Grand Prix.

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Taz

October 07, 2013 10:29 AM

Got to agree with Webber, a flat spot shouldn't cause that kind of delamination.

Hasn't been a great weekend PR wise for Paul Hembry. As sunny suggests, he should keep his gob shut sometimes.

bobsmyname

October 07, 2013 10:30 AM
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Regardless of what we all think about the tire degradation, you can't deny that Pirelli are just providing the tire the FIA has asked them for.

Regarding the delaminations etc. - it seems quite clear that a lot of the drivers went further on their tires than Pirelli recommended. If that's the case, then you can't blame Pirelli.

It's like buying a toy inflatable boat. You can't try and paddle across the ocean in it and have a moan when it sinks. However, use it in rivers and streams that it's designed for and you shouldn't have a problem.

I don't like these tires, but I think a lot of the blame is put unfairly on Pirelli. Especially when you consider their ridiculously stupid testing limitations.

You cannot ask a tire manufacturer to make you tires for F1 that degrade quickly but are very safe and then turn around and tell them, and by the way we're not going to let you test them.

Stupidity!

Taipan

October 07, 2013 10:48 AM

Bob I agree with a lot of what you said but the FIA never told Pirelli to make de-laminating tyres and that's what I have a problem with.
A bit like your inflatable boat exploding in a huge fireball if it springs a leak.

Ptolemy

October 07, 2013 10:52 AM

I'm tired of the tire games. I remember vividly how Bridgestone and Michelin made tires at the end of the 1st Schumacher era that would LAST AN ENTIRE RACE! And only one set of tires was allowed for the whole race. Also, I don't remember ANY delaminations at all. In fact, I don't remember seeing an F1 tire delaminate until just recently. What makes this situation especially lame is the fact that Pirelli is only racing themselves! Does anyone have an answer to the problems we are seeing with the tires in F1?

bobsmyname

October 07, 2013 10:55 AM

Taipan,

I agree with you, but the point i'm trying to make is this - Pirelli have been asked to make the tires 'fragile'.

I don't really know how anyone expects them to be able to do this safely without the ability to test them.

I really don't see how they can make them degrade like they do and then guarantee that they won't continue to degrade until they de-laminate without proper testing.

Michelin said as much a few weeks ago. They said that they would not consider providing tires unless they were allowed to produce tires that did not degrade like the Pirelli's.

Besides the bad press they would get for tires that don't last, they also probably know that it can't be done safely without proper testing.

richard

October 07, 2013 11:07 AM

bob. there is a difference between fragile and degrading. in fact, yesterday, the teams found out that the tyres grained fairly early but then came back. and at the end, sebs tyres were said to be 100% worn, yet he still set ftd on them? perez was a delamination, not degradation or puncture.

107SS2009

October 07, 2013 12:37 PM

Pirelli was not and is not supplying tyres to F1 as per the wishes of the FIA, they don't even have a contract with the FIA, Pirelli are supplying their tyres to F1 as per a supply and commercial contract with BE, the quality of the tyres they are supplying is per the wishes of BE. Paul Hembry went to Alonso and apologised. Webber said “I got a Pirelli puncture from a Pirelli tyre”. People posts their opinion without first making the least effort understand what they are talking about, A puncture, a flat-spot, a degraded tyre can all lead to a tyre disintegrating into pieces but that is different from a delaminating tyre, when a tyre delaminates the thread/cover separates and flies off in one piece.

RafaelCE

October 07, 2013 2:21 PM

If I remember correctly, Pirelli expected supersoft to last 20 laps. They lasted half that much, so I don't think Pirelli is achieving its goals.
In any event, it´s beyond any common sense that running one or two laps in excess would result in catastrophic failure like that. I would understand lack of grip, even puncture but not blowing into pieces.

Taipan

October 07, 2013 2:37 PM

Sunny / Rafael, Exactly and that's the point that Hembrey is avoiding. He's palming it off as flat spots, punctures, degradation and blow outs all being a normal part of motor racing, which it is but de-laminations are not.

Someone is going to end up with tyre tread in the face and then they'll be forced to change the tyres overnight and the subject of closed cockpits will resurface again. I've supported Pirelli quite a bit over the last couple of years and I agree with Hembrey that they need more (fair to everyone) testing but de-laminations are unacceptable and there's no excuse for it.

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