F1 » Horner: No disappointment at wait for title

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said that there was no disappointment at not being able to wrap up the title race at Suzuka, as he preferred instead to celebrate the team's first 1-2 since Malaysia.

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October 16, 2013 8:39 PM

Something funny is going on with that Renault engine. Prior to the summer break, the average position of a Red Bull car in the quali speed traps (excluding Monaco) was about 17th. After the summer break, their average position is about 7th. There has been a sudden huge improvement in the top speed of the car. The Lotus has also improved, although less markedly.

So much for the engine freeze. I reckon over the summer break Renault have put another 20 or 30 horsepower into theirs.


October 16, 2013 9:13 PM

abomidable. do you not understand f1, o basic engineering? first of all, the engines are frozen and nobody can "find" extra power. in fact the merc engine is more powerful than the renault or Ferrari.
secondly, it is not power that provides the top speed, but gearing!
where the bull scores is that it has better aero and can stick to the track better, allowing the bulls to raise gearing to provide a higher top speed. even when they did not have the current top speed, they were still able to beat merc etc, due to having better grip in the corners.


October 16, 2013 9:26 PM

What Renault did amazingly in these days, is finding alongside RBR engineers a clever engine mapping system which allowed their drivers to find much performance and then G.Minardi raised doubts about traction control. It was not be that, of course but now it looks that Lotus enjoys a similar system as well, if the words of Toto Wolf are true. Maybe later in the season we will see that to Williams and Caterham as well. Caterham needs desperately to beat Marussia. Williams will swap Renault for Mercedes next year so I doubt they will have anymore benefits by Renault this season.


October 16, 2013 9:33 PM

of course 'your' not dissapointed mr horner, martin whitmarsh, stefano and ross have probably already turned their attention to next year already. all this left me wondering how smug will ch be next year when ferrari in theory have 'two' drivers who will score an alonso amount of points, how rubbish would the whole ferrari package need to be to seriously not threaten red bulls position as wcc's. oh look, even i am looking forward to next year already. untill then, im looking forward to things like will vettel score more points than all the opposing constructors this year, showing he doesnt need help from his team mate to be number one in the drivers championship and have sauber developed their car into a better race car than the mclaren


October 16, 2013 11:53 PM

richard apparently you know nothing about F1. I think you were the genius telling me a few months ago that Alonso couldn't have opened his DRS outside the DRS zone because that was physically impossible with the FIA system. Now you appear to be completely ignorant of the fact that engine manufacturers are allowed to make changes if they are to improve reliability. All manufacturers have obvious been seeking to make reliability changes that also happen to boost power. And then, of course, there is the possibility of operating outside the rules (or is that impossible in F1 in your mind too?)

@ Firestorm - perhaps it's something like that, but I doubt it. That would help with driveability but not top speed.


October 16, 2013 11:55 PM

As for the 'they just changed the gearing' theory, that's nonsense because if it was better for them to run with higher gearing, why weren't they doing it before? Something changed in the mid season break that made a sudden difference to their top end speed and I can guarantee that it wasn't someone sitting down and saying "hold on - we could get an extra 5 tenths here if we just changed the gearing!"


October 17, 2013 7:48 AM

abominable. next time you are out driving in your 8 speed Porsche, try taking top speed in sixth. then put it into eighth and see what your top speed is! the engine still has the same power but the gearing has changed. savvy?

and as regards changes "for reliability". these have to receive the approval of all teams and of fia, and the last request for such a change was two years ago. and don't forget, there are other users of the Renault engine, and they have not suddenly found speed. in fact, the sauber is the most improved, and it uses a Ferrari engine!

tell me when you reach Australia!


October 17, 2013 9:07 PM

So let's get this straight. You're saying that Red Bull, who had been persistently in the low end of the speed traps for years, suddenly had a revelation that they'd been really stupid for all that time and it would be much better for them to run a high gearing instead? Is that what you think? Oh dear...

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