F1 » Toro Rosso admits to testing ‘mystery’


Toro Rosso says that how it will fare in the two Bahrain tests "is a complete mystery" after struggling at the opening test in Jerez

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107SS2009

February 13, 2014 6:06 PM

Yet again this is a case of controlled feeding of the media of what best suits the teams.
The mystery as to what to expect at the next Bahrain test is not as a result of the Jerez 4 day test but more as a result of the latest 100 km filming run undertaken at Misano by Toro Rosso were they managed 70 km and is said to have been littered with stoppages by problems the same as those suffered at Jerez by Renault.
Once again, Renault and their 4 teams should stop giving us spins and start deliver results.

107SS2009

February 13, 2014 7:13 PM

I have no doubt that they will solve their problems but I have big doubt not only of what they are constantly feeding us (spins) but also about the time frame that will take them to solve their problems.
Take care outdoors Rob (in the fields/ on sites).

Firestorm

February 13, 2014 11:26 PM

Sunny it was you that said about Renault's problems it would take at least 15 weeks to iron all of them. Did you expect that in two weeks time Toro Rosso-Renault to have much better fortune at Misano that they had at Jerez? I will not make predictions, I will wait to see and read about this matter. If Renault are going to suffer in Bahrain or will be much better, only the test itself will reveal it, I am not going to believe White or Horner or any other because they always will say a few lies, it's PR afterall.
IMO Toro Rosso should have stick with Ferrari engines at least for 2014 as well. So Newey and co would have had a good picture about engine performances of Renault and Ferrari. So RBR could push Renault into the right way. Will so much changes it would have been a safer option for Red Bull to have their two F1 teams powered by different manufacters.

107SS2009

February 14, 2014 7:17 AM

Fire, no I didn't expect that Toro Rosso would have much better fortune with their latest 100km run/test than they had at Jerez simply because I did not believe Renault spin after the Lotus 200km run/test.
The 15-20 weeks period I quoted “needed to solve part of the big problem/s” that Renault will not talk about was a calculation by people with information from those in the thick of things, it is only thanks to those (part of the media) that doesn't depend on accreditation/s to do their jobs/ for a living, as otherwise all of us will only be able to eat manufactured fodder.
As to how better it would have been if Toro Rosso have stayed with FERRARI power unit I think it couldn't have been worse than RBR being beaten by their own money.

fourteenseven

February 14, 2014 9:52 AM

ex minardi boss has said on his website that red bull 'could be' considering a new engine supplier for next year, seems making an engine almost 'exclusively' to red bull/mr newey's requirements is very problematic to even a renowned engine manufacturer like renault.

fourteenseven

February 14, 2014 2:12 PM

rob01: mr neweys requirements did NOT cause this problem. The size, packaging and placement are dictated by the rules. All the way down to the engine mounts.

rob01: mr neweys requirements did NOT cause this problem. The size, packaging and placement are dictated by the rules. All the way down to the engine mounts.


mercedes and ferrari have had the same dictats, they also have works teams where the engine department is in the same post/zip code as the chassis department and more easily build a car around the PU. renault built an PU neweys (the customer/partner) requirements. it may be a coincidence that the leasto sophisticated renault powered team ran the most mileage in the first test using renaults dodgy unit.

fourteenseven

February 14, 2014 2:29 PM
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