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So Red Bull and Torro Rosso posting quick times, not that many top designers left any more apparently. If McLaren keep starting every new season on the back foot they may as well concentrate on producing road cars. If Hamilton can't get a decent lap time out of it then no one can. Does anyone have any idea of the difference in power outputs between these cars as Renault engines seem to be the pick of the bunch at the moment with Cosworth not that far off the pace. I recall that Renault were whinging about poor power three seasons ago, so what have they done?