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Mark, The Irvine passing Senna move, I think that was when Eddie un-lapped himself and upset Senna so much that Ayrton punched Eddie in the face after the race! happy days lol.
I agree that its hard to compare Indy-Champ etc and F1. I think the main problem that even great drivers from those series have is coping with the complexity of an F1 car, it's just a different animal to any other racing car on the planet.