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People saying these drivers could do better than Webber seem to forget some of the things Webber did in an average car - like qualifying a Jaguar, which was probably worse than the Torro Rosso, on the front row, or challenging for a win in the Williams (which was a dog) at Monaco (before his engine blew) including lapping his team mate Rosberg. I do agree that the two TR drivers were treated harshly, but saying that what they have done suggests they are as fast as Webber is a bit far fetched. Webber wasn't on his game this year, but still managed the fastest lap in 7 races - one of the few things he beat Vettel at this year (and it's clear Vettel tries hard for those too, but only getting 3 this year).