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Andy, you wanted McLaren's 6 years constructors results pre-Lulu?
2001 - 2nd
2002 - 3rd
2003 - 3rd
2004 - 5th
2005 - 2nd
2006 - 3rd
So by and large the same sort of results as they've had with epic Lulu in the team. Hasn't really helped them much has he?
Of course those 6 years were in the days of Ron Dennis, who did no wrong according to some...