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johno. the problem at macca was that dennis did not give newey free rein to innovate. in fact, that was the reason that adrian declined to stay with them. he left to further his ideas initialy in ac yachts (well, air and water are both fluidic dynamics) but the lure of a totally free hand lured him to redbull. and the rest is history. he is also allowed to race his cars, something that dennis prohibited him from doing.