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@ jim crint I look on Vettel's victory at Monza for Torro Rosso (in rainy conditions) as a one off. I compare it to Maldonado's victory in Spain this year because it was totally unexpected. It was a telling victory because u never heard from him the rest of the season. He never did anything after that until he got in an Adrian Newey built car at Redbull. I'm not saying that Vettel isn't a good driver, because he is. But, there's still a bunch of people out there who still doubt his prowess behind the wheel. This perception is the reason he only came in only 4th on this driver poll.