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john. exactly, and that is what i have been saying since nico was stopped from passing lulu. and you should go to planet f1. there is an interesting article on the webber/vettel issue, again saying what you and i have been saying, that is that nobody knows if or when webber turned down his engine, and it also sheds a new light on the race and webber apparently backing up vettel to have him passed by the mercs.