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“Curious obsession with peoples nuts” that’s what real men are measured with.
The Captain of a ship past or present, old or modern have and posses the right to give orders and such orders have to be obeyed, if such orders are not obeyed the authority of a Captain is undermined.
“John well said and true” well said and true my leg, if at Red Bull neither driver is prepared to follow team orders that will certainly be a new standard in F1 team management.
Richard, the Concordia example is unbelievable coming from a man of your calibre.