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I agree with Rob!!! horner is only saying this because they are not as strong as they thought they were!!! and there has been no case of the 2013 tyre used.. every article states the 2014 tyre was used.. Taz if you have read an article champ post the link please.. I think redbull no they are struggling. Ferrari lotus have all built cars around the tyres and the biggest noise is coming from Redbull!!!