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if he started 9th and finished 5th on my calculator he moved forward ?!!!! irrespective of a 5 place grid penalty..... Malaysia he started 4th and finished 3rd ..... not a particularly good record I'm sure you'd agree but just now you were saying its the fans you have a pop at but it looks like the driver as well, although I don't recall you've ever said you hate him, I'll give you that