MotoGP » ten Kate 'strongly believes in Toseland'.

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damo - Unregistered

February 23, 2009 2:19 AM

Toseland is on the title wining bike and really needs to show something this year. Chris's is the most successful Suzuki rider since KRJR, has outshone both Hopkins and Capirossi with his podiums. Even given the machinery disadvantage Vermeulen will beat Toseland this year, he's a class above.

Raw Dawg - Unregistered

February 23, 2009 4:02 AM


James is not on a factory bike so he isn't on a title winning bike - just the title winning brand. All the factory bikes have moved on - satellite teams don't have a chance.

And you can't compare Chris V. to KRJR who actually won the title - Chris has never been in the title conversation. And no, he didn't outshine Hopkins at Suzuki. In 2007 Hopkins finished 4th in the championship - 2 places ahead of Chris. Hopper finished 1 place ahead of him in 2006.

freddy freddy

February 23, 2009 4:25 AM
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JT will make a big step up, but how big? and is that step up big enough to secure his job in 2010? or JT will make a reunion with ten kate in WSBK 2010?
I'm in doubtful about the big step up that Ten Kate says....

damo - Unregistered

February 23, 2009 4:49 AM

Raw Dawg

You're putting words in my mouth. I said most successful rider SINCE KRJR. Vermeulen has more podiums for Suzuki in 3 years than Hopper managed in 5 years. In fact Chris was the first Suzuki rider to get a pole position, podium and race win in the 4 stroke era despite Hopkins' experience. He may have finished marginally behind Hopper in the points but he definately outshone him, given he was still learning tracks while Hopper had been in GP for 4 years already.

Dray - Unregistered

February 23, 2009 5:09 AM

I think what he is saying is the 2009 satelite bikes are really the 2008 factory bikes, which is very competitive as we all saw. This was announced right after the Valencia race when only the Factory team did the 2009 testing. The Tech 3 team could not test because the Tech 3 squad was expected to take delivery of the 2009 YZR-M1 until the first test of 2009 at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia.


February 23, 2009 5:10 AM

Ken Tate is usually a good judge of rider.
Working with J.T. for a year he would know if he has the will power to make it, I don't think we should write him off yet.
Remember how long he has been in MotoGP.
J.T. needs another year before we judge him.

As an Australian, it's a bit hard to figure out Vermeulen, because he didn't dominate the racing scene over here before he went to europe.
I'm not sure if he has the "**ck everyone I'm going to be world champion" attitude of the Gardiner's, Doohan's and Stoner's.
If the suzuki is fast this year, he will definatly need to be near the front, he's been in the class long enough.

Bob Buttamasangy

February 23, 2009 7:38 AM

It might sound like a cop out but I don't think you can emphasize enough how a mediocre bike can make riders like those in this story also look mediocre. Without the support of a top team (obviously Yam and Duc), that difference in results is amplified. Just look at honda since JB left. Yeah, they've had results but they had a well developed platform and more money than god and they've really gone nowhere since.
I hope tire allocation is fair and random enough to allow these blokes to rip sh17 with Rossi and Stoner at the front as I certainly don't doubt their talent. I think there will be a few surprises in '09, here's hoping.

Jiri Simek

February 23, 2009 8:03 AM

We will see if Mr ten Kate is right. I noticed many people here underestimate JT. The Tec3 Yam of course isn't identical to the bikes of JL and VR and I cannot believe somebody here really believes that. Have you ever seen the factory Yamaha development staff in Tec3 garage?? :? However, that machine will again be the best non-factory bike in the field. And JT, hopefully, the best non-factory rider. As for Chris Vermeulen, I believe that he will do well, but Capirex will be even better.

baja - Unregistered

February 23, 2009 9:14 AM

Geez sounds like ten kate have never forgiven chris for bailing on them :p. Ok now the M1, remember at the end of last year the tech 3 and fiat yam technical crews went to japan together to learn the ins and outs of the 09 M1. all 4 guys are on the same bike, poncharal, edwards, toseland, lorenzo have all said the bikes are exactly the same. If something needs to be changed during the year you know rossi will be the the first to try out a new part or electronics but right now the bikes are exactly the same down to the bolts and tyres. Same deal at ducati.

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