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AvTech37 - Unregistered

April 18, 2009 9:05 PM

What a waste. Someone please explain to Dorna what GP racing is! I know many out there will dissagree with me but this proposal is not a formula to capture the imagination. A single 'control' engine formula sucks. On the other hand, imagine works twin cylinder 400's revving to goodness knows what (half the 800's) - that's different and sets the imagination going. Equally, single cylinder 200 (250?) 4 strokes - remember the supermono's......brilliant racing and potentally not too expensive. It doesn't have to be a 4 cylinder to be good!


April 18, 2009 10:42 PM

The idea of a single engine has absolutely gutted Moto2. I think this would be a fabulous formula without the single engine. But still, I hope people like Spondon, Harris, Yoshimura, Moriwaki, KR, etc jump on board and bring different ideas and excitment to this class.

fuzzilogic - Unregistered

April 19, 2009 12:20 AM

Er just a thought, motogp riders want to get back to 990's (good idea), so why not use the 800's instead of 250,s (everyone says they handle the same, lots of corner speed) and if they want to reduce costs use the single engine idea and :rolleyes: give the engine contract to Kawa and remove some of the electronics, surely this should make every one happy, riders, fans and been counters alike!!!!!!!.

monster - Unregistered

April 19, 2009 1:16 AM

The easiest way to do the engines would be to allow any 600cc 4cyl engine from anywhere and supply a control ECU.

The ECU could be set to limit the RPM to say 16,000 RPM (easily obtainable for most production 600's), but make the fuel and ignition mapping fully adjustable for tuning.

Also T.C. could be built in or not.

You have to bear in mind the "buy back" ruling they've got (if someone has X amount of dollars and they want your bike you have to sell it to them). Stupid idea but I believe It's still in place.

No one wants to spend big bucks on and engine if you have to sell it, a control ECU will help here.


April 19, 2009 1:49 AM


keep in mind that they are trying to control cost (yes, almost impossible in any form of racing). Dorna should say that anyone can build engines but you have to sell to anyone that wants one and that they have a cap on price.

Of course the cap on price will be a headache. But also to get different engines to run on the same ECU won't be any fun for a builder also. With a standard ECU you couldn't have different firing orders like a big bang or anything like that.

I don't know the solution but I do know that I don't want to see a standard engine across the board.

zydon - Unregistered

April 19, 2009 3:07 AM

For me, 2-stroke were more cost effective in GP racing. Furthermore, most of ex-250cc migrated to motogp had higher skills in controlling the bike and learning process were shorten. They've even better race craft than SBK riders since 800cc has higher corner speed to the traditional 500cc.

Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner just a few of 2-stroke riders that had to adapt the complexity of the premier class machine, yet still able to wins sum of races more than ex-SBK riders.

Mind you, 250cc don't have such a rider aids or electronics that most SBK bikes had nowadays.

zydon - Unregistered

April 19, 2009 3:23 AM

... If 4-stroke is the only way to go by Dorna, I preferred a some sort a junior 800cc class rather than Moto2 600cc.

The junior 800cc is where various new engine makers participate to develop new 800cc before the machine reaching the competitive level to race in premier class. Even a control RPM like max 17000 rpm limit just sufficient to make it different than premier class. This class could be used as test bed in controlling the max speed and laptimes before implemented to the premier class.

Probably engine makers like KR, Petronas, Aprilia, BMW, Ilmor and MV Agusta or even private engine maker could join the class to taste the cost adapting in GP racing.


April 19, 2009 4:10 AM


I would say the adaption of 250cc guys to MotoGP has more to do with the rigid race bred chassis of a 250cc, the light weight nature of the bikes, and track knowledge more so than the 2-stroke engine itself. Superbikes as we all know are based on production bikes and they just have a flex and lazy nature about them that can't be over come - not to mention the weight. 250 chassis on the other hand are pure race machines that are feather light compared to Superbikes. That wouldn't be lost on Moto2 and of course they will race the same tracks as MotoGP like the 250s.

monster - Unregistered

April 19, 2009 4:50 AM

I agree "Raw Dog"

There is no easy solution, but in my mind a control ECU is better than a control engine.

The AMA did this buy back thing years ago with their 1 mile dirt track racing (the class that the Harley's dominate).

Are there any Yanks out there that can comment on how this worked out?

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