MOTOGP » Toseland black flag for missing 'harsh' penalty

He aint good enough and would get his **** kicked in WSB if he went back there with the current rider line up too...He was lucky to win his 2 WSB titles and unless he's very lucky again there will be no more world titles for JT...unless it's for playing the excuses world championship.

disco you are exactly the kind of person I am refering too. To call your criticism constructive is very overstated.

@JT2

"I guess they dont understand and will never understand how much it hurts us real fans to see our guy, who we know can do so much better be...whats the best way to say this...at the back."

I completely agree with you. I groan when Haga crashes, when he isn't on top of the rostrum where he should be. I, like you, am a fan, of many things and motorcycle racing is one of them. I too like to stand behind who I cheer for, why wouldn't you? Through the many ups and downs every rider experiences. But what I will not be, is a blind fanboy, JT has had his time. He is a broken confident-less shell of the rider he used to be. Don't hate me for telling you what you should already know.

@Juvenial

"disco you are exactly the kind of person I am refering too. To call your criticism constructive is very overstated."

I never said my criticism was constructive, I don't know where you are getting that from. Also, I don't see how your post applies to me as I am NOT being spiteful. And I don't hate Brits. I'm just calling a spade a spade. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, and maybe being mediocre is something you cheer on but I don't. I am quite sure you'd love JT to be consistent, score points, podium, and maybe even win, but he doesn't, he isn't, and he wont in MotoGP. That is all I am saying. If you feel I am spiteful, or full of hate, then we have a language barrier.

Disco...I stand by my racer.

I said I beieved he would do well...I believed he would have podiums....i believe he is better that he is at the moment...and I also said it hurts to watch him not do any of the above.

So just because he is not doing well I should give up on him....I hope your not a mentor or management to anyone because if you are they have not got a hope if you give up on them when things go south.

I also said in my post I believe he can do better and hope he gets another chance...So if that make me 'a blind fanboy' so be it.

ok here we go then.... how about next year tossland goes to AMA with the other waste of space Hodgson.

@JT2

No you shouldn't give up on him, but you should realize he doesn't belong in MotoGP, that is the only point I am trying to make. Its called being objective, putting your love for the guy aside to see the plain truth -- He cant cut it.

@The Darkside - nice name btw!!

"ok here we go then.... how about next year tossland goes to AMA with the other waste of space Hodgson."

DMG/AMA is a horrible series right now, thanks to DMG, who have started running the series this year.

Personally I think he should go back to WSBK, he would do fine on a good ride, if the ride is good enough he would start at the sharp end. BSB would/should be too easy for him, if it wasn't his days would be numbered as a competitive racer.

Fair enough. You could very well be right.
10 races left this year so maybe just maybe.......

so disco, list who else doesn't deserve to be in MotoGP?