MotoGP » Suter to test BMW powered 1000cc bike

The bike is on course for a 2011 debut should Dorna open up the entry to allow 1000cc bikes a year earlier than planned

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May 28, 2010 10:13 AM

Sounds interesting and also bodes well for the return of 1000cc if the likes of BMW are already working on an engine for the class.

Who agrees that Aprilia will be back? They openly admit the RSV4 started its development life as a MGP bike but the switch to 800's forced a change to SBK


May 28, 2010 10:36 AM

Remember when the S1000R was a protoype it used R6 body work- it is a very compact bike.

I could imagine that slotting the BMW engine into a Moto 2 chassis wouldn't be that hard...

..and then it would probably only need mild tuning to reach 200bhp- I imagine the WSBK is about 210-215bhp?

Sounds like a very interesting concept!

Adrian Livesey - Unregistered

May 28, 2010 10:38 AM

It would be great to see Aprilia back in MotoGP, but i do not think it will happen in 2012. the RSV4 may have started its life as a prototype machine but is now a full production bike so many of the parts and all the development would not be allowed in MotoGP.

SR - Unregistered

May 28, 2010 11:13 AM

As much as I welcome more bikes on the MotoGP grid as it's woefully small at the moment, am I the only one that thinks this 1000cc plan dilutes MotoGP?
If I want to watch production dervied engines racing, I'd rather watch WSBK.
Maybe I'm just a purist as I have similar reservations about Moto 2, despite the much improved grid sizes vs. 250.


May 28, 2010 11:21 AM

I agree SR, it does dilute the concept of GP racing to some extent, but as a motorsport fan I'd rather see a grid of 30 riders than 17.

Moto 2 is working, the only criticism seems to be the 'Honda cup' element of it, and the relatively low 125bhp output.

I'd be happy to see an 'open' 1000cc Moto GP where you can use any 1000cc 4 cylinder engine as a basis, perhaps even open it to twins and triples too?

Costs do need to be reduced, and I can imagine a factory would be chuffed with being able to use the same engine in their WSBK & Moto GP bikes.

I still think electronics need to be reduced too...
Same package as WSS please! Some TC, LC and AW but nothing too fancy!

190mph - Unregistered

May 28, 2010 12:19 PM

For MotoGP to be a true prototype series the organisers need to set some basic parameters then after that - anything goes. This would help bring in the engineering companies rather than relying solely on the main manufacturers.

At the moment MotoGP bikes are nothing more than a slightly lighter with a bit more power but much more expensive version of a WSBK bike.

Where's the innovation, the new ideas that will take motorbikes onto the next level?

Pedro Amaral - Unregistered

May 28, 2010 12:26 PM

I agree that MotoGP needs to cut down on costs, an even if it never reached the madness that F1 did, to see a grid in which bikes are using upgraded / standard / limited street components, I personally don't agree.

Limit the amount of engines (specs) to one or two during the whole season, limit the exotic materials, do what ever turns costs down but not to an extent in which engineers are handicaped and development halts.

MotoGP, as is F1, should be all about prototypes, for the rest we have allready SBK's.
It is the improvements done on the prototype bikes that eventually improve road going bikes.



May 28, 2010 12:43 PM

Dilute what? What are you talking about? Prototype my ****! They have capacity limits, cylinder limits, weight limits, do not allow forced inductions etc ad nauseum. Put carbon brakes and the same tyres on SBK bikes and how close would they be to the multi million dollar piles of crap? The current 800cc GP bikes are overpriced junk with the rules set by the factories. As one poster said on another thread it will go down in history as the worst mistake ever. Why is there no longer any Red Bull Team in MotoGP? Because they would only be in it to win and you cannot get a competitive bike because the factories make the rules.

extrarelief - Unregistered

May 28, 2010 12:56 PM

Its the chassis...... any wrench worth his salt can make tons of unusable HP with an antiquated engine. how much production developement do you think they got from the 2 strokes? 0, all the forward development was in the chassis. Switching motogp to production engines with prototype chassis will move the sport forward much faster than its current rate. I would even expect that we will see street bikes produced with bad ass engines so that they can be used the following year in motogp.

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