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python - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 12:36 AM

The idea that the top ten GP riders would dominate in sbk may be erroneous. GP bikes are so narrowly focussed that only a few can master them. SBK are easier to ride and more people can ride them to the limit. I'm sure Rossi or Lorenzo could ride a sbk at the limit, but I'm not so sure their limit is much faster than Spies, Biaggi, or Bayless. And I think Pedrosa might struggle with a sbk, perhaps even Stoner, initially, though I'm sure both could adapt.

rossihatersgohome - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 12:52 AM

whoa....The suzuki wsbk camp must be talking their sh** right about now vs their GP counter partnets...hahaha, hopefully the GP guys get motivated and make a top bike for 2012. if not, bye bye suzuki...would welcome KTM

RawDawg

June 28, 2010 12:58 AM

"GP bikes are so narrowly focussed that only a few can master them...... but I'm not so sure their limit is much faster than Spies, Biaggi, or Bayless."

So wouldn't you think the masters of GP bikes, bikes you say can only be mastered by few, master a superbike if it's easier or more forgiving?

And Spies is not longer a superbike rider, Biaggi is from GPs, and Bayliss is retired. The guys in WSBK now aren't Bayliss - they aren't even close. There isn't anyone who is even a legit GP candidate in WSBK this year so I'm not sure how anyone could say the GP guys wouldn't dominate. The talent level isn't even close. Most guys have world titles before they even get to MotoGP - the grid is full of World Champions in 125, 250, and WSBK. Take old guys Corser and Biaggi out along with JT who we know isn't better than top GP guys and what do you have in WSBK? Not much at all.

The motogp is the prototype and the wsk is the production base. Both can survive if they stick to its original concept. No way that Rea on the mass produced CBR 1000r with less factory support can compete against Biaggi on Aprillia with semi-prototype full factory support. The wsb is good advertisement tool for new comers for the sports bike market like BMW and Aprillia. Ducati did that too and gained market share. The motogp goes back to 1,000cc from 2012. Both BMW and Aprillia may go to the GP after they did enough advertisement and testing for 1,000cc in the wsb. They surely want to try the full prototype race? If the rumor of Rossi Ducati is true, even they may move all resource to GP.

Westminister - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 6:46 AM

@ Dice

If MotoGP had stayed as 990cc, quite a few of the current riders wouldnt have made the transition, & perhaps WSBK riders would have been more successful.

I disagree. Troy Bayless, WSBK king could barely hack it in GP on a 990cc. In three years of GP, plus one wildcard appearance 06 which resulted in his only win, he accumulated 278 points.

Pedrosa as a rookie in '06 wins two races and makes the rosteum 8 times totals 215 points. Also, Capirossi gets the closest ever to winning the premier class. Not to mention Dani and Loris prefer the 990 to 800cc, both "midgets" as you put it, from the 125 classes...

Last year, Simoncelli jumps in a WSBK race on Aprilia and finishes 3rd.

python - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 6:58 AM

@Rawdawg
I may not have made myself clear. If you took Rossi, Lorenzo, and Spies and put them on identical Yams,with time to acclimate, I do not believe Spies would suffer. Same with Stoner/Bayliss/Hayden. I'm pretty sure even an old guy like Biaggi is faster on his Aprilia than someone like Pedrosa would be. The best sbk riders could compete with the best gp guys ON SBK. Yes, the gp guys can master the sbk, but they won't be faster than the best sbk riders. The opposite is NOT true, the best sbk guys MAY NOT be able to master the gp bikes. Whether or not Spies or Bayliss currently ride sbk is irrelevent to this discussion. Cheers!

python - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 7:16 AM

@Rawdawg
I reread your post and agree with you. The CURRENT sbk field is a bit less talented than the best gp guys now. Biaggi is actually holding back at times, I think, which a guy like Lorenzo would not. As good as Spies looked last year, we have to remember he only beat the perennial #2(Haga) who was on a new bike. Had Bayless waited a year to retire and Haga had been Spies' teammate, it may have been a lot tougher on Spies.
I do believe the very best recent sbk riders would be competetive with the best gp guys on sbks. Of course, some of the best sbk guys have some gp experience(Bayless,Spies,Biaggi,Checa,etc) so who the heck knows!

bringBACKthe990s - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 7:38 AM

Just like in f1, I think that budget caps should seriously be considered. It works in every other form of American stick n ball sport.

This way, f1 and mgp can loosen up their rule restrictions and go back to what us purists believe the series are supposed to stand for. Budget caps don't come at the expense of the sports soul.

Sbk doesn't need a cap as its rules by nature control spending while leveling competition.

Motogp: any CC, any engine confige, any tire mfg but tires must be homo'd avail to all

Wsbk: pull back just a bit, a la superstock.

PS...I appreciate all the intelligent banter in this thread. If only every topic was this civil and if this site had some better editors,

mylexicon - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 7:41 AM

@ aelous

I'm not idc, but it looked like you were trying to respond to me.

Ur right. Biaggi had feel. Aprilia nailed the setup and the tires worked perfectly. Extra hp wouldn't have helped at Misano, however, it would help at tracks like Monza, Qatar, Silverstone, and Valencia. The advantage never materializes.

Read the BSB Evo rulebook. You will find a reference to the FIM homologated rev limit. Ask an Evo runner, they will tell you what it is.

BMW and Suzuki couldn't share the same track w/o performance controls. One is a mass produced 990 clone like the D16RR, the other is a "sensible" road bike. The engines go the same speed so you only need Suzuki bore to compete.

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