MotoGP » Assen: MotoGP v WSBK


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bringBACKthe990s - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 7:43 AM

Cont......

Discplacement is the cheapest and most reliable form of HP. Ultimate leveler for go's.

Anytime u restrict or lower cc's, u put advantage in the hands of biggest budgets.


Either way, wsbk is succeeding because they put oems in their place. That should say everything.

nebari - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 8:00 AM

In WSBK certain bikes can be 1200cc because it supposedly makes them equal to 1000cc fours. The 1000cc fours are there because that's what road bikes are.
In MotoGP they went to 990cc to drive out the 500cc 2strokes, and to exclude tuned up road engines I suppose.
We now have a situation where the MotoGP 800cc manufacturers have to lap faster than 1200cc WSBK bikes, hence costs are going through the roof.

mylexicon - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 8:34 AM

@ Back

How does the BMW compare in Superstock trim? IDK, let's look. What?! Ayrton Badovini has won every race and he has a 10kph-15kph top speed advantage over the competition?! He has double the points of Maxime Berger?! I'm shocked!!

BMW has higher compression and a slightly higher stock rev ceiling. It's a beast in any trim. BTW, I'm not putting down the Japanese bikes, they are simply built to SBK specs which don't require 80mm bore at this point. BMW went over-bored with their design.

mylexicon - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 8:48 AM

@ nebari

The twins are allowed 1200cc so they can increase stroke and reduce revs. The Ducati is a 106mm Desmoquattro twin. The valves are much bigger than their 74.5mm Suzuki counterparts, but if Ducati stayed at 1000cc, they would have to make the same engine speeds as the four cylinder bikes. When you have big valves with big lift, the top goes pop very quickly. Ducati could barely afford to run the 999R in WSBK (104mm). A new 106mm 1000cc twin would only have made matters worse.

This is the same routine from the 750era only now the SBK commission has learned their lesson so they make Ducati run air restrictors.

FooAtari - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 8:58 AM

@Rawdawg
"The top 10 guys right now of Rossi, Jorge, Casey, Dani, Dovi, Hayden, Spies, Edwards, De Puniet, and Simoncelli would walk WSBK riders"

I don't completely agree with that. Dani is too small to race a superbike flatout over a race distance. I don't think Edwards would stand out any more either. I think most people give Superbike riders less credit than they deserve.

Anyway for me, I want to see good racing more than the best riders in the world. Give me 6 really good riders fighting hard lap after lap all in with a shot of winning, over three of the best riders in world all separated by a couple of seconds over the next guy

claymore - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 9:12 AM

These figures must be a worry for Rizla Mgp team, but im sure they already know as its been pointed out before that a stock 1000 suzuki is nearly as fast as there mgp bike on any track. :rolleyes:

Venkatesh - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 10:11 AM

Guys! Comparison was good but I see you guys so excited and about what.
MotoGp uses a 800 cc and WSBK a 1000cc and yet MotoGP bikes are 1.5 secs faster.

You could get excited if the comparison figures were for 1000cc MotoGP bikes.

The Mentalist - Unregistered

June 28, 2010 11:11 AM

If I'm not mistaken Corser managed to better a 500 lap record on a Duc back in 1996 in Donington, so difference in lap times between GP and SBK have been small for a long time.

In my opinion SBK provides more entertaining and close racing than MotoGP because in MotoGP you have to be kind of a set up wizard to set the bike exactly to your likings and go fast. When you manage this pretty challenging task, it will immediately separate you from the guys who only manage to get 99% out their set up, hence the whole 'alien situation'.

A Superbike has always been more forgiving and this results in more guys at the front, a lot of overtaking, whobbling and sliding.

aeolus

June 28, 2010 11:35 AM

GP offers, at the front, the visual pleasure of seeing a very talented rider getting the utmost out of a 2 wheel conveyance. Maybe just an extra tenth, but it's beautiful. WSBK is just below that level but there is more competition at the front generally (since Bayless left) and the riding is not as precise.

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