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aeolus

June 27, 2010 2:30 PM

There seems to some sort of agreement between Dorna and WSBK not to poach on each others territory which means stock block engines would be out in MotoGP. Therein lies the trap for MotoGP, the special engines are very expensive to build for that last 20 or so HP and only the manufacturers can do it. Ask King Kenny. And that is what it's all about: the last half second and last few HP that makes a MotoGP bike.

Scarecrow

June 27, 2010 2:33 PM

Imagin the amount of feeder championships and extra bikes on the grid it would encourage.

Top BSB Team budget 2x bikes (airwaves) £3m
Top AMA Team budget 2x bikes (yoshi) $2m

Hell, Parkalgar Honda WSS spent £1.2m on 1 bike and rider

average MotoGP satalite team budget £8m

Im getting giddy over the thought of 40x 1000cc proddy/motogp bikes on a grid :p

kirk66

June 27, 2010 2:50 PM

"I think the extra 6.8 #s in MotoGP were spent on lifestyle issues and salarys."

Who's? The team as a whole? Bet there's some data acquisition dude making average money thinking he's getting ripped off. Funny statement, though. Most of the cost of GP revolves around travel expenses after the rider's salaries are paid. Cost is high to ship bikes around the world.

aeolus

June 27, 2010 3:06 PM

"Cost is high to ship bikes around the world."

Hadn't thought of that. though my comment was factious.
I remember reading Shakey's comment that when he was in MotoGP with McWilliams, the latter wanted to stay in a $400 a night hotel and Shakey went elsewhere as he just couldn't see spending that much. I imagine the MotoGP crowd has to keep up appearances commensurate with the expected high flyer image they need to generate. Of course guys like Rossi don't need to pinch pennies.

DW - Unregistered

June 27, 2010 3:06 PM

@ aeolus

There is certainly NO agreement between Dorna & InFront ... in fact there have been words between them re the Moto2 engines, & there will still be issues or court battles re the 1000cc engines in MotoGP.

The main issue is the FIM definition of each series.
MotoGP is supposed to be pure racing prototype machines, whereas WSBK is a production based championship.

Dorna has largely messed up what they were given by the FIA with some curious decisions & little backbone, while InFront have made a huge success of WSBK with some strong & sometimes unpopular decisions.

While the FIM has to try rescue MotoGP, they better not sacrifice anything in WSBK in doing so.

kirk66

June 27, 2010 3:19 PM

DW- although your point is valid, the fact is the "production" derived WSBK motor and the OE bore & stroke GP motor will be vastly different in components at the end of the day. Don't think for a minute that the vast budgets for GP will "dull" the motors. WSBK will continue to push the 225-230hp area while the "new" Gp motor will easily reach the 250hp arena by 2013. That and the weight reduction from WSBK vs GP will continue to play into faster trap and top end speeds for the GP bikes. Any law suits will be frivolous and harm the sport in the end and a good judge will deny the advancement of the suit if DORNA has a decent law team on payroll to explain the differences.

aeolus

June 27, 2010 3:32 PM

@DW
How to measure success? I have no idea how much TV money/gate income the 2 series generate but the issue here is mainly the problem of entries rather than the perception of exclusivity of MotoGP bikes which still has to be much higher with MotoGP. The first year they ran at Indy, 90,000 turned out in a hurricane. The drawing power of a Rossi can't be denied while in WSBK we hawe Biaggi at the front. This aspect of celebrity
is a fragile but most important one and requires a machine mystique as I see it. The high tech firms that fund F-1 don't seem as interested in bikes so the money just isn't there. Dorna must reduce the cost without damaging the mystique as I see it.

Dray

June 27, 2010 3:37 PM

Stick 7 American or Italians or spanish riders and suddenly the WSBK will automatically become boring. Why? This is a British cheering parade right now.

Stick a few Brits in Motogp and that becomes very exciting. LMAO. When Slowesland was there, I did not hear too much complaning in 2008 or 2009, even though Ben Spies was electrifying the World in 2009.

Now that there is no Brits there Motogp is not that popular for the Brits even though hands down we have a grid of mostly the cream of the crop and compared to WSBK a bunch of second rate and a few current Champions with some out to pasture riders.

GO FIGURE.

aeolus

June 27, 2010 3:38 PM

@kirk666

There is agreement throughout motorsport that 200mph is the limit for racing. That's Dornas problem: the Apriia will easily reach 203 as will the other WSBK bikes. More HP is not the answer. The 1000cc bikes is the last card they have to play.

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